"If these things exist, as I've said before, then geocentrism is finished." I am still not sure why you think one has anything to do with the other. It is almost a certainty that Geosationary satellites do exist. Many countries have them. That statement seems to me to assume either you are right or everything including the Bible and everyone is wrong. That would assume a near perfect understanding, which is what we don't have. However to suggest there are no other possibilities unless you can find them reasonable seems to be the same approach the world has taken with God. And if you find out that they do exist, what then, you are left with either one of two options. Proclaim that plain scripture is unreasonable or you will have to conclude that your reasoning was unreasonable to begin with and what you now consider as unreasonable, as possible if not probable. Any good ground base telescope, in the right location, should be able to verify that they do in fact exist all over the world operated by several countries. However, t hey still have to be adjusted from time to time. I think your statements here are far too reaching based on too little. "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:The time has come, the walrus said, to talk of many things, like ... "geostationary satellites." If these things exist, as I've said before, then geocentrism is finished. And, in particular, Newton's gravitation formula would be correct and mine would be wrong. So, I now want to start a serious thread about these things and first I would like to hear any "evidence" that they definitely do exist. 1. IN BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY, THE WORLD DOES NOT ROTATE. 2. IN BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY, THE WORLD DOES NOT ORBIT THE SUN. 3. HENCE, IN BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY, THE MOTIONS WE SEE ARE REAL. 4. IN HELIOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY, THE WORLD ROTATES. 5. IN HELIOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY, THE WORLD ORBITS THE SUN. 6. HENCE, IN HELIOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY, THE MOTIONS WE SEE ARE NOT REAL. Website www.midclyth.supanet.com Neville. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com