The time has come, the walrus said, to talk of many things, like ... "geostationary satellites." If these things exist, as I've said before, then geocentrism is finished. And, in particular, Newton's gravitation formula would be correct and mine would be wrong. So, I now want to start a serious thread about these things and first I would like to hear any "evidence" that they definitely do exist. 1. IN BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY, THE WORLD DOES NOT ROTATE. 2. IN BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY, THE WORLD DOES NOT ORBIT THE SUN. 3. HENCE, IN BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY, THE MOTIONS WE SEE ARE REAL. 4. IN HELIOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY, THE WORLD ROTATES. 5. IN HELIOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY, THE WORLD ORBITS THE SUN. 6. HENCE, IN HELIOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY, THE MOTIONS WE SEE ARE NOT REAL. Website www.midclyth.supanet.com Neville. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com