Paul, If you believe people in white costumes that tell you, one or more of, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune travel at the speed of light or faster then you should look for a new hypothesis of Cosmology, that is not heliocentrism. "No man has ever ascended higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the Earth's surface. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon." Bernie --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Bible Geocentrism - The Earth is NOT Moving!! To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 2:24 AM Bernie B Don't listen to them mate -- leave it just the way it is. Heliocentrism can't buy promos that good. Paul D PS Why don't Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune -- two travelling at greater than the speed of light -- have their atmospheres blown away like a comet tail, if space is NOT a vacuum? ----- Original Message ---- From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, 5 October, 2008 5:46:11 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Bible Geocentrism - The Earth is NOT Moving!! Bernie in red --- On Sat, 10/4/08, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Bible Geocentrism - The Earth is NOT Moving!! To: "geocentrism list" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 4:00 PM Bernie, the enemy thinks that if the lie is repeated for ever, it will be believed eventually... I do not approve of this same method for the promotion of truth. Principle agreed to and was followed. Whilst I sympathise with the principle, I must insist insist? - Does this show dictatorial leanings in your character? this article below be re written in real science terms if it is to hold much value. Saying this concerning the speed around the sun . One would think such speeds would flap one's collar a little is simply not true. A non-moving, non-rotating Earth explains no collar flap. The assumption of the Earth moving at 30 times rifle bullet speed would not explain no collar flap. Unless you piled that assumption on top of another one and say that space must be a vacuum then. At what point do we stop believing these stretches? You have already acknowledged that one cannot detect speed or direction in a jet liner whether it is doing 200 or 2000 mph. I have acknowledged that the correct analogy for a person standing on top ( the outside surface ) of the alleged moving Earth is for the person to be standing on top ( the outside surface ) of the moving jetliner. There is in space nothing to flap your collar.. no wind.. I don't believe that space is a vacuum and I believe that space scientists are lying or have been misled if they say it is a vacuum. One more ... "Multiple experiments have shown the Earth to be stationary." Actually other than the controversial Aether wind experiment , there are more experiments to prove the earth rotates.. Let me name just one. A high speed gyroscopic flywheel axis vertical at any latitude close to the equator , will rotate exactly 1 revoluttion in 24 hours, as it opposes the earths movement which atempts to make it change orientation. The same flywheel if axis mounted horizontal at the poles, will likewise rotate 1 revolution per 24 hours as it opposes the rotation of the ground beneath it. . A gyroscope is an elementary instrument for demonstrating motion and direction, used quite successfully in vehicle navigation. Their reading must be corrected for this change of position caused during the 24 hour cycle of the earths rotation. The gyroscope is probably affected by the motion of the stars around the two celestial poles each sidereal day. Also I would more look at the Big Picture evidence than the smaller details. Who is paying for the experiment and do they have an Agenda? Is the scientist biased, is he aware of which side his bread is buttered on. He is aware of this. Have there been many science frauds ever? Only a few people at the top of the hierarchy knew that they were actually faking the Apollo Moon Landings. The rest never suspected that a giagntic deception was underway, and that people with distinguished looks, smiles, suits and titles would be capable of engineering a fraud. They never would suspect the equipment to be tampered with. This has to be explained by some new theory of inertia/flywheels if one wants to claim the earth is not moving. We may do this by use of the aether, but this is just as presumptious as is the contrary view. We don't have to know every detail about Cosmology to believe which model is likely to be true. If the major basic evidence supports Geocentrism, and one has an 80% belief that ones perception is correct, and has a 20% belief that the perception of heliocentrism is correct, then one should believe in Geocentrism and "run with it" as if it were 100% true. We could wait forever if we require numbers of zero percent or 100% of this or that. The scale for human perception on many issues can only be from 1% - 99%. Bible quote: 14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Kind Regards, Bernie Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernard Brauer To: cdnet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Bible Geocentrism - The Earth is NOT Moving!! "There is something about Space that 'THEY' don't want you to KNOW." The Earth is NOT Moving!! - The Cosmic Fight to the Death between two RELIGIOUS Creation Scenarios ( Creation by Satan's Evolution vs. Creation by God's Word ). True, NON-HYPOTHETICAL Science ( observational data, our senses, physical experiments, and logic ) CONTRADICTS the assertions of Mainstream Science's existing FRAUD-RIDDEN, Unscientific, State-funded Model of the Universe derived from the Mystical Zohar/Kabbala of the Pharisee religion. Moreover, the Intelligible Christian Bible's Voluntarily-funded Geocentric/Geostatic Model of the Universe proclaims: The Sun Orbits the Earth Daily and The Earth is NOT Moving. * "There is NO proof that the Earth rotates on an "axis" daily and orbits the sun annually. None. * All calculations for eclipses, the space program, navigation, satellite movements - anything that demands precision and accuracy - are based on a non-moving Earth. Boiled down, heliocentric math is the same as Geocentric [ also called Geostatic ] math. * NO EXPERIMENT HAS SHOWN THE EARTH TO BE MOVING ( much less at 30 times rifle bullet speed in solar orbit and at 250 times RBS around a galaxy. One would think such speeds would flap one's collar a little even if the "science" establishment says no! ) * Multiple experiments have shown the Earth to be stationary. * Revisionist history reveals the roles that Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Sagan et al have played in foisting this LIE on mankind. * The logic against a moving Earth is overpowering. * WORLD-CLASS astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle said take your pick between the two models. * Copernicanism paved the way for Darwinism ( which then spawned Marxism, Freudism, Einsteinism and Saganism. ) * Star speeds are not a problem when the thickness of the universe is seen to be what it really is, that is, LESS than half a light day thick ( eight billion mile radius ). * NASA's space program is labelled "Origins Research" and costs taxpayers mega-bucks. Computerized telescopes are programmed to send back "synthesized images". The "image warper" permits "geometric transformations" while "origins technology... configures the multiple small mirrors..." in these telescopes. Talk about a con job! * The Bible says The Earth is NOT Moving and cannot be moved. What'll it be folks? False science as the source of absolute truth . . . or God's Word?" Marshall Hall L: Earth is stationary due to perfectly balanced Interactive Electromagnetic Forces. R: The sun's path, fixed within the rotating firmament, spiral-orbits the Earth north-south and clockwise from the Tropic of Cancer to the Tropic of Capricorn in six months and then alters course laterally to spiral-orbit south-north and clockwise for the next six months. Seasons result from the yearly helical oscillation of the sun's path around the untilted stationary Earth. Go here for more info: [ http://sites.google.com/site/earthdeception by Bernard Brauer ] Turn to page 2>>> Page 2: One's Belief About the Origin and Structure of the Universe is the Foundation for all of One's Knowledge. * Geocentrism ( GC; also called Geostatic ) = nonrotating Earth, Spherical Earth, nonorbiting Earth, no "axial tilt" of Earth, sun spiral-orbits Earth; stars orbit Earth. Universe has Earth as center, is small ( can be as low as 500,000 mile radius ), young and created by God. Derived from Bible Christianity. Studies and experiments mostly voluntarily financed by Family paycheck ( "human creationism" ), creating good "karma" or God's Spiritual Blessings, resulting in Research and Education Truths. * Heliocentrism ( HC ) = rotating Earth, Spherical Earth, orbiting Earth, Earth has "axial tilt", Earth orbits sun; stars stationary to Earth. Universe is acentric ( AC = no center ), large, old and created by itself ( LOL!!! ). Derived from Kabbala Pharisaism. Studies and experiments mostly coercively financed by State taxpayer ( "human destructionism" or "theftism" because all State taxation is theft ), creating bad "karma" or God's Spiritual Curses, resulting in Research and Education Lies. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Question: Why is it ( proving a stationary Earth ) important? Answer: A stationary Earth = nightly stars rotation = no 14 billion light year radius of universe = no 14 billion year age of universe = destroys time needed for evolution myth = restores Bible credibility = belief in afterlife with system of rewards and punishments = existing "crime" ( sin ) rate collapses. - "Discarding Newton's seemingly innocuous inverse-square formula for gravity would have enormous consequences for the entire Earth, because with it goes the 'Big Bang' absurdity and the whole of secular cosmology ( which the idea of organic evolution requires in order to sanctify the notion that anything is possible given enough time ). With no publicly-perceived scientific credibility to bolster it anymore, the prevailing Western religion of naturalistic atheistic humanism must then likewise collapse." Neville T. Jones - Six INCORRECT beliefs: (i and ii) The Earth is flat or rotates; (iii) The atmosphere is "velcroed" to the Earth; (iv) Gravity is 'pull' and not 'push'; (v) There is mutual attraction between objects; (vi) The idea of heliocentricity is not religious. - "As for Einstein, if you want to believe that lengths shrink when an object moves, time changes in the process, and its mass increases, just so you can explain the anomalies of Michelson's experiment, that's your privilege, but I'd just assume to answer it by saying that mass, time and length stay the same and the Earth isn't moving, and I'm just as "scientific" as you for saying so." Robert Sungenis Statement: "It's just a bunch of Christian Propaganda"; "I'm not religious, I'm an atheist, I just believe in science". Response: EVERYONE has a God/god/g-d; either themselves ( humanism ), impersonal evolutionary forces ( scientism ), The State, Satan, Oprah ( occultism ), or ........... The Creator God of the Christian Holy Bible. EVERYONE is religious - a religion is a set of beliefs about morals and about the origin of the universe. The RELIGIONS of Naturalistic Atheistic Humanism, Organic Evolutionism, Satanism, Guruism and ESPECIALLY Statism ( "Governmentism" ) have caused more deaths than anything else. True unhijacked-by-the-state Bible Christianity has not caused a single war death - EVER! Christian Truths counteract PROPAGANDA ( like heliocentricity ) from those latter six RELIGIONS, among others, that many people ( who incorrectly say they are not religious ) now follow. Anti-church, pro-God, pro-Bible page HERE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moving-Earth DECEPTION! 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