[geocentrism] Re: Bible Geocentrism - The Earth is NOT Moving!!
- From: "John Roodt" <johnroodt@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:03:01 +1100
that was very good...
john
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:52 AM, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Sorry to put you through all that work Paul, but I thought you was
> talking from the helio perspective, as I was. Been there done all that.
>
> However Paul,
>
> after all this time I thought you would have gotten a bit familiar with
> geocentrism.
>
> Perhaps a little explanation is in order with some analogy. The sound
> barier.
>
> When a body is flying through the atmosphere at the speed of sound, we can
> say it is moving at the speed of sound, however long before jet planes we
> had turbines or at least flywheels whose peripheral speed was more than 1100
> ft per second, in other words more than the speed of sound. Yet we did not
> consider it as really moving anywhere, through any sound medium, spinning as
> it was in its own space..
>
> In the geocentric system, you must look at the solar system first, *yet
> excluding the world called earth*. In this system we have the planets
> making their particular yearly trips around Sol. With respect to the sun,
> all the speeds are heliocentrically the same as you expect them to be. No
> argument here.
>
> Next I want you to consider this sun system and all the stars THE ENTIRE
> COSMOS as being part of a "solid" object, like a flywheel that is more a
> spherical shape, whose *centre *is the world called earth. Within this
> "solid" sphere nothing can exceed the speed of light, and nothing does. This
> "solidity" is the medium of light. One might say relativity works within
> .this sphere. I call it the aether, for want of a better name, a rather
> primitive term with so many misconceptions. 'space-time barrier' fits
> nicely. After all what we see is a long long time ago.
>
> We now have this sphere doing a 24 hour rotation around the world. So, like
> the solid flywheel doing a peripheral speed faster than sound, likewise we
> have a sphere whose size indicates peripheral speeds that could be measured
> as many times the speed of light.. YET THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS NOT BEING
> EXCEEDED BECAUSE THE* MEDIUM* IN WHICH LIGHT TRAVELS IS WHAT IS MOVING.
>
> I know this is mind baffling, but not as much as Einsteins maths. I
> struggled with it.
>
> Imagine it is a big spherical pond of water rotating once per 24 hours, the
> increment of change outwards is not enough to be noticed by the fishes
> swiming in it. (Much less even than the latitudinal change in the earths
> rotational speed, which is so gradual as to not be noticed by
> earthlings).Bernie will get quite irritated with this. . . Now fishes all
> the way out to the periphery will not know or feel or sense any speed. The
> fish at the centre theoretically if he was imbedded in this fluid wouldn't
> know either because his "stationary" would have a slow rotation, with the
> same angular speed. . That after all is what real relativity is all
> about.
>
> But for.. and this is the big BUT. His God told this central fish
> that the stone on which he lived was un moving, rock solid , aand if that is
> true, wonder of wonders, those fishes we can see way out there are
> travelling faster than many times the speed of light. Not really any problem
> in that at all.. Its just a matter of perspective... so long as the
> flywheel holds together and dosn't fly apart. ...maybe it has,,, hmmmm a
> new theory for an expanding universe...
>
> Not signing this..
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> *To:* geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:23 PM
> *Subject:* [geocentrism] Re: Bible Geocentrism - The Earth is NOT Moving!!
>
> Bernie B, Philip M
>
> I don't say that Uranus and Neptune are travelling faster than light --
> Geocentrism says it.
>
> The speed of light was first determined to be 180,000 mps (before the speed
> of sound was determined) by the apparent leading and lagging of the orbiting
> of Jupiter by its major satellites due to the extra distance the light had
> to travel across Earth's orbit as Jupiter moved from inferior conjunction to
> superior conjunction. Subsequent experiments largely supported this
> measurement but refined the estimate to 186,000 mps. These latter
> experiments were done in Earth based laboratories and did not involve what
> you might call assumptions thus the new value can be used to verify that the
> understood distance across Earth's orbit was -- approximately -- correct.
>
> With the speed of light now known, the distance to the four gas giants can
> be determined from the round trip time taken for radio signals to and from
> the Voyager space probes as they passed these planets and the diameter of
> Earth's orbit is confirmed in the act. The distances understood to be known
> prior to Voyager were not modified post Voyager. Thus the orbit radii of
> Jupiter = 489,900,000 miles, Saturn = 887,100,000 miles, Uranus =
> 1,784,000,000 miles and Neptune = 2,795,500,000 miles are known.
>
> The circumference of the orbit of Saturn is -
>
> 2 * pi * r = 6.28 * 887,100,000 = 5,570,988,000 miles
>
> and travelled in 86,400 s (24 h) gives a speed of 64,479 mps.
>
> The circumference of the orbit of Uranus is -
>
> 2 * pi * r = 6.28 * 1,784,000,000 = 11,203,520,000 miles
>
> and travelled in 86,400 s (24 h) gives a speed of 129,670 mps.
>
> The circumference of the orbit of Neptune is -
>
> 2 * pi * r = 6.28 * 2,795,500,000 = 17,555,740,000 miles
>
> and travelled in 86,400 s (24 h) gives a speed of 203,191 mps.
>
> On these numbers, it is only Neptune which travels faster than light. Guess
> that'll teach me not to quote without verifying! To show my integrity, I've
> left my error intact.
>
> Concerning where men have travelled. In 1968, the crew of Apollo VIII
> circled the Moon -- which is MUCH more distant than 300 miles -- and on
> Christmas Day of that year, read from Genesis while so orbiting. While in
> orbit they also took photographs including photographs of the rear side of
> the Moon. These photographs were of a quality superior to those taken by
> Soviet Luna 3 in 1959 --
> http://images.google.com/images?q=soviet+luna+3+photo&rls=com.microsoft:en-au:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA&um=1&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title
> but
> comparison will show sufficient points of equality to verify that they are
> of the same landscape. Though I cannot show you here, I have in my
> possession a Super-8 movie film of the high lights of Apollo VIII --
> purchased in 1969 -- which probably shows scenes from the rear side of the
> Moon (it's a long time since I watched it). It's in a rather inaccessible
> box unfortunately but in any event, I don't own a projector. I've been
> meaning to get it transferred to video tape or DVD for some time -- maybe
> soon. Subsequent film has only improved the resolution and thus confirmed
> the obvious -- men HAVE orbited the Moon.
>
> Concerning comet trails. Yes -- I know about directions and why. I meant
> only to call to mind the pictorial impression.
>
> Paul D
>
>
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> Not a lot of true science here either Paul;.
>
> PS Why don't Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune -- two travelling at
> greater than the speed of light -- have their atmospheres blown away like a
> comet tail, if space is NOT a vacuum?
> 1st, what planets are travelling faster than light????
>
> 2nd, a comets tail is not really a tail, like as in behind the movement.
> The comets
> "tail "can be in any direction, even in the direction of the motion... It
> certainly is not blown away by movement through the vacuum.
>
> Philip.
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, 6 October, 2008 3:26:11 PM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Bible Geocentrism - The Earth is NOT Moving!!
>
> Paul,
>
> If you believe people in white costumes that tell you, one or more of,
> Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune travel at the speed
> of light or faster then you should look for
> a new hypothesis of Cosmology, that is not heliocentrism.
>
> *"No man has ever ascended higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the
> Earth's surface. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the
> moon." *
>
> Bernie
>
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