[geocentrism] Re: 2 Axes of rotation - drawing

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Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:          
  Allen D
Well this is what I've been trying to get you to say for months!
  My response however is to ask how you went about trying to record this 'non 
existent' motion.  HOW is it non existent?...HC DEMNADS that motion....!? It is 
non existint in GC and observationaly  thus HC is untennable that is our point! 
   If you simply nail the camera to the Earth and point it along the axis of 
rotation, of course you will fail. But ... if you duplicate the conditions with 
a clever camera mount, (check with my R & D department) then it is my belief 
that you will capture this annual trail. no you can not without introducing 
assumed motions!....... IF the motion existed in reality you would not have to 
do any "tricks" or fancy camera actions. It would and must manifest itself. 
since it does not ( then it cannot exist in reality. becuse it must if the HC 
modle is correct the mechinaics demand that it manifest itself) Thus, HC is a 
fable for educated men!?
  Paul D
  

  ----- Original Message ----
From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November, 2007 5:24:56 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: 2 Axes of rotation - drawing

  Paul,
   
  "We cause the camera to move in an orbit in the same manner as the Earth, and
  There are stars all about us, and
  We open the shutter periodically for a short exposure over a period of a 
minimum of a month or three,
  Just how is it possible that we would NOT see an annual set of star trails 
centred on the ecliptic pole?????"
   
  That is the point!...it should if that motion exist but we do not observe 
that, therfore the motion does not exist...!?
   
   
  

Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
     DIV {MARGIN:0px;}    Thank you for that Paul. I think at this point I 
will just wait until someone concedes or it cannot be resolved satisfactorily. 
Once that happens we will have to move onto the next point. 
   
  Jack
   
  ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Paul Deema 
  To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:08 PM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: 2 Axes of rotation - drawing
  

    
  Jack L
  A reasonable request and an answer just for you.
Each day the Earth rotates once (and a little bit) on its axis. If you look at 
the fixed stars, you must see apparent rotation of these stars centred on the 
extended axis of rotation, especially if you use a camera on time exposure 
fixed to the thing which is rotating. This is of course the the nightly star 
trails. And no you won't see those circles if the camera is pointed at the 
celestial equator despite all of Allen's protestations that the angle of the 
camera axis doesn't matter.
  Most people can't see this directly -- quite apart from not having the time 
to sit around -- it is likely they would be distracted by all those garden 
snails roaring past disturbing the neighbourhood. How much less likely are they 
to see something which happens more than 365 times more slowly? Especially with 
the distraction of all those snails rocketing past, the stars streaking across 
the sky, the grass growing!
  But to be practical. The problem is that we are trying to photograph 
something moving very slowly while sitting on something that is rotating very 
fast. If you want to see it, you have to remove the influence of the fast 
motion of the thing you are sitting on and the inconvenient angle of the 
attention grabbing rotation. That is covered in several mechanisms I have 
illustrated, posted and described and which no one will address.
  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  In as few words as possible -
  If the Earth is revolving about the Sun, and
  This revolution is in a plane with the Sun at one focus, and
  We position a camera on this plane,
  Z axis orthogonal to the plane, X axis tangential to the orbit, Y axis radial 
to the Sun, and
  We cause the camera to move in an orbit in the same manner as the Earth, and
  There are stars all about us, and
  We open the shutter periodically for a short exposure over a period of a 
minimum of a month or three,
  Just how is it possible that we would NOT see an annual set of star trails 
centred on the ecliptic pole?????
  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  I once saw an amazing 30 s of motion picture film showing five years in the 
life of a glacier. It flowed like a raging river in massive flood. Had I spent 
30 s watching someone fitting the camera to the post for the daily shot, I 
would not have seen the glacier moving -- the seals and the penguins would have 
simply been too distracting. Besides, who believes something as solid as very 
old ice moves? Ridiculous! Preposterous!
  And yes -- I could be wrong. Would you care to wager against me?
  Paul D
  PS As I've said before several times, the existence of annual star trails 
does not prove heliocentricity. In my first post on this subject I explained 
how this would work in a geocentric model.







  
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