*From*: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*To*: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx*Date*: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:13:24 -0800 (PST)

Blue Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Allen D Well this is what I've been trying to get you to say for months! My response however is to ask how you went about trying to record this 'non existent' motion. HOW is it non existent?...HC DEMNADS that motion....!? It is non existint in GC and observationaly thus HC is untennable that is our point! If you simply nail the camera to the Earth and point it along the axis of rotation, of course you will fail. But ... if you duplicate the conditions with a clever camera mount, (check with my R & D department) then it is my belief that you will capture this annual trail. no you can not without introducing assumed motions!....... IF the motion existed in reality you would not have to do any "tricks" or fancy camera actions. It would and must manifest itself. since it does not ( then it cannot exist in reality. becuse it must if the HC modle is correct the mechinaics demand that it manifest itself) Thus, HC is a fable for educated men!? Paul D ----- Original Message ---- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, 20 November, 2007 5:24:56 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: 2 Axes of rotation - drawing Paul, "We cause the camera to move in an orbit in the same manner as the Earth, and There are stars all about us, and We open the shutter periodically for a short exposure over a period of a minimum of a month or three, Just how is it possible that we would NOT see an annual set of star trails centred on the ecliptic pole?????" That is the point!...it should if that motion exist but we do not observe that, therfore the motion does not exist...!? Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: ï»¿ DIV {MARGIN:0px;} Thank you for that Paul. I think at this point I will just wait until someone concedes or it cannot be resolved satisfactorily. Once that happens we will have to move onto the next point. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Deema To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: 2 Axes of rotation - drawing Jack L A reasonable request and an answer just for you. Each day the Earth rotates once (and a little bit) on its axis. If you look at the fixed stars, you must see apparent rotation of these stars centred on the extended axis of rotation, especially if you use a camera on time exposure fixed to the thing which is rotating. This is of course the the nightly star trails. And no you won't see those circles if the camera is pointed at the celestial equator despite all of Allen's protestations that the angle of the camera axis doesn't matter. Most people can't see this directly -- quite apart from not having the time to sit around -- it is likely they would be distracted by all those garden snails roaring past disturbing the neighbourhood. How much less likely are they to see something which happens more than 365 times more slowly? Especially with the distraction of all those snails rocketing past, the stars streaking across the sky, the grass growing! But to be practical. The problem is that we are trying to photograph something moving very slowly while sitting on something that is rotating very fast. If you want to see it, you have to remove the influence of the fast motion of the thing you are sitting on and the inconvenient angle of the attention grabbing rotation. That is covered in several mechanisms I have illustrated, posted and described and which no one will address. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo In as few words as possible - If the Earth is revolving about the Sun, and This revolution is in a plane with the Sun at one focus, and We position a camera on this plane, Z axis orthogonal to the plane, X axis tangential to the orbit, Y axis radial to the Sun, and We cause the camera to move in an orbit in the same manner as the Earth, and There are stars all about us, and We open the shutter periodically for a short exposure over a period of a minimum of a month or three, Just how is it possible that we would NOT see an annual set of star trails centred on the ecliptic pole????? oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I once saw an amazing 30 s of motion picture film showing five years in the life of a glacier. It flowed like a raging river in massive flood. Had I spent 30 s watching someone fitting the camera to the post for the daily shot, I would not have seen the glacier moving -- the seals and the penguins would have simply been too distracting. Besides, who believes something as solid as very old ice moves? Ridiculous! Preposterous! And yes -- I could be wrong. Would you care to wager against me? Paul D PS As I've said before several times, the existence of annual star trails does not prove heliocentricity. In my first post on this subject I explained how this would work in a geocentric model. --------------------------------- Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now.

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