[ddots-l] Re: Delta 1010 and monitoring
- From: "Paul Erkens" <pje@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:01:13 +0100
Johanna,
I had a hard time figuring out the delta mixer, but I know it now. I'll tell
you how I am using it, for what it's worth.
On the break out box, you have a number of inputs and outputs. Together with
the mixer however, this is a confusing concept. In the delta control panel,
you have a patch bay router page, and a monitor mixer page.
Normally, what you put in to the card, is by default not output again,
meaning that you will never hear what you record. That is why input echo
exists in Sonar to begin with.
If you experience a lag time that you find way too long, maybe you have your
driver type in sonar set to MME, and not to WDM or Asio, like you can safely
do with the delta series. But let's go on about input not being heard during
recording.
The monitor mixer is the tool that you can use to overcome this problem of
not wanting to use input echo. You can in fact have the sound that you
input, echoed directly to the output of the card, so that you will hear it
while you are recording. To understand how this works, let's look at the
patch bay first.
In the patch bay, you can determine what you want to hear from the output
jacks of the card. Nothing more. In other words, What you configure in the
patch bay / router page, is where the sound should come from, that you are
going to hear out of your outputs. Each pair of outputs on the card, can be
attached to a number of inputs.
You could link a pair of inputs on the card, directly to your outputs. That
way, you will hear what you are performing while you record it. But the
disadvantage is that when you play back through the card, you won't hear
anything, because what you connected to the outputs, is the direct input
signal and nothing else.
You can link any input to any output. It is possible, for example, to link
input jacks 3 and 4, a stereo pair, to outputs 1 and 2, which are the
outputs you are normally listening to. Outputs 1 and 2 can likewise be
linked to outputs 1 and 2, what ever you want.
There is, however, yet another form of input inside your delta card, that is
not as obvious as the rest at first. This is the wave device. The wave
device gives you the sound that you play back from your computer to the
card. The sound that comes out of your wave device, comes in to the break
out box not by any jack inputs, but via the break out cable that runs from
your computer into the box.
To summarize, the sources of audio are as follows:
1. In the patch bay / router page, You can connect your output to a physical
input, or,
2., You can connect your output on to the wave device, meaning that instead
of simply copying the signal coming in from a physical jack, the card will
sound the audio given to it by playback on your computer.
Now, we are having a problem. If, using the patch bay / router page, we
connect our output to a physical input, then we will nicely hear everything
we perform as we are recording. But, when we try to play back, nothing is
heard. This is because the wave device has not been hooked up to anything.
So your computer is sending audio to your wave device, but there the path
ends, because you did not connect the wave to an output.
So, wether you choose to connect the output to a physical input, or to the
wave device, it is not perfect. You want to be able to record and hear what
you are playing, and you also want to hear something when you play back your
material. And it is not going to happen both, with either of those choices.
What now?
That's where the monitor mixer comes in. This is a device inside your
soundcard. The mixer can be attached to which ever output you like. But just
like with every mixer, you should put something in to it in order to hear
it.
Therefore, the mixer has all inputs that are available on your card. If you
would open all volume faders for all channels in the mixer, then it would
output the blend of all incoming signals at once, to the output jacks to
which you connected the monitor mixer.
And this is something we can use. Our physical output on the card, should be
set to receive its input from the monitor mixer. Not from any physical input
on your card, nor from the wave device alone. What you want, is hear any
sound, no matter where it comes from: the wave device, or an input. You want
to hear everything.
Finally, here's what you could do.
1. First, go into the delta control panel and into the patch bay / router
page.
2. Then, make sure that the physical output you are listening to, gets its
input from the monitor mixer.
From the monitor mixer's point of view, its output side has been taken care
of, because we connected the monitor mixer to our chosen physical output. We
now need to configure the inputs for the monitor mixer. To do this:
3. Go to the monitor mixer page in the delta control panel, and open all
volume faders there.
Any sound coming in to the card will now be audible over the output to which
you connected the monitor mixer.
You can play back the audio from your computer, because you can hear the
wave device through the monitor mixer, which in turn is connected to the
physical output of your choice. Any sound you put in to the card is also
audible via the monitor mixer.
Of course, there are situations where you have a different setup, but for
now that was not the question. I have a physical mixer with two stereo
output pairs, and per instrument that I hook up to that mixer table, I can
decide to which of those outputs it is to go. I attached the first, main
pair of my mixer outputs to the delta card, but that signal is not heard in
sonar, unless I turn input echo on. If I press a button on the physical
mixer however, the signal goes out from the physical mixer into input jacks
3 and 4 on the delta. In the monitor mixer, I opened the volume faders for
physical inputs 3 and 4, as opposed to inputs 1 and 2, which are silent in
the monitor mixer of the delta.
This way, If I play my instruments and I route the signal out of my physical
mixer into jacks 1 and 2 on the delta, I can record it in sonar and hear
what I'm doing, as long as I have input monitoring on. If input monitoring
is off, I won't hear the input, because in the monitor mixer on the delta,
inputs 1 and 2 are silenced.
If, on the other hand, I route the instrument signal from my physical mixer
into jacks 3 and 4 of the delta, I will hear it directly, because those
volume faders are open, in the monitor mixer of the delta.
This means that I can either record my instrument, or just listen to it
directly as I play without Sonar running, simply by pushing a routing button
on my physical mixer.
I hope this is not too confusing.
Paul.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Halton" <philhalt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Delta 1010 and monitoring
Johanna,
You say that after setting the patch bay thing to input 1/2 instead of
wave1/2, you can hear the signal, but not what you've just recorded...
In that case, What do you hear? The patch bay thing seems like it would
do just what you want--to have the input lines go straight through to the
output line. Sorry I can't help more--that's my best understanding of
these things at present.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johanna Herranen" <jherrane@xxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:59 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Delta 1010 and monitoring
Hi, Phil!
Warm thanks for your reply. Just because of this lagging problem, I can
not record with input monitoring on.. That's why I asked how to hear the
signal directly trough the card. I checked the mixer and found mute
setting for each input. But the mute checkboxes are unchecked so input
mute is off. There is a patchbay router tab in the Delta control panel. I
tested to change output 1/2 to input 1/2, not to wave 1/2. Then I can
hear the signal... but not what I've just recorded. I guess, I have some
kind of routing problem or I have set something wrong in the mixer.
Johanna
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