In a dim and distant universe <4865EB6E.20505@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Phillip Marsden <phillip.marsden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> enlightened us thusly: > Thus neatly side-stepping the issue of appearance, which is what you > passed comment about. What did I tell you Steve (Fryatt)? He found a way > to side-step your question. I wasn't commenting about appearance, other than the fact the Java engine generally runs in a self-contained window which offers little integration with the host GUI. My main criticism of Java (in my experience) is the speed. Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway... To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: //www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling