[bookshare-discuss] Re: How Many NLS Members? (was) Re: Bad scan Wheel of Time 3

What heading on the site are the steps listed under? I don't want you to have to bother providing the exact link, just the general area will be enough.

Thanks.

But I'll bet that either:
a. Two or more of those steps could be consolidated into fewer steps, or
b. NLS being a government organization, one or more of those steps takes substantially longer than it otherwise would.
Perhaps both of these are true.


At the rate NLS seems to go with most books, it takes as long for them to get them to readers as it does for the authors to write them.

You're right that RFB&D doesn't have the standards that NLS had, but someone here was impressed with the fact that the latest Harry Potter book was on Bookshare the day it came out in print. It was also done by RFB&D the week it came out in print. (I want to say the day it came out, but I can't swear to that.) But I remember them announcing that it was available when I was on hold last August. So even though they have lower standards, how much worse would it be than the NLS version, which still hasn't been announced in TB Topics? It is available, RC60262, but I would have to go on a waiting list to get it because not enough copies are available at my regional library for everyone who wants one. True, that is a different issue, which will hopefully start fading away in a couple of years with this new format and delivery system. But for now, it does affect how accessible their books are to readers.

True, for RFB&D, this is probably an aberration, they don't usually get books out that fast. But it tells you what can be done if people are motivated to get it done.

Also, the Bill Clinton autobiography is another good example. The only reason NLS came out with it so fast is because it was actually recorded somewhere else, and not produced in-house. Otherwise, people might still be waiting for it. How much lower are the standards at Random House that they could get this out - even the unabridged version - so much quicker?
True, money is a powerful motivator, but how many corners would they have to cut to produce something of reasonable quality that people would want to listen to?


Sorry, but as you can see, I'm not very sympathetic to the 'high standards' argument for how long it takes for NLS to get books out.

I know that many people here have friends who read books, and they want to be able to talk to their friends about what they are reading. It is a great way of connecting with others if you can talk about the things you are mutually interested in, and for book lovers, that means being able to read a book when it comes out, at the same time that your sighted friends are reading it. For that, Bookshare can't be beaten.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate NLS's high-quality standards, and their narrators are tops. I look forward to listening to Roy Avers reading the latest installment of Robert Jordan's "Knife of Dreams". But I don't want to wait that long to find out what happens, which means I will be reading it twice, once from Bookshare and once from NLS. (I don't expect this to happen to often, though, especially as this is a rather large book.) But I think they need to figure out how to get things out in a little more timely manner. If other people can do it, then it doesn't seem all that unreasonable to expect that they can do it. It wouldn't involve that much - if any - of a drop in standards.

----- Original Message ----- From: <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: How Many NLS Members? (was) Re: Bad scan Wheel of Time 3



Actually for the cassette books, the narrators must do research before hand
about how to pronounce the words. NLS pays by the "good recorded minute"
and it isn't a lot for the minute last time I checked. You have to make
sure you are pronouncing the words correctly, and any errors that are made
in the tapes must be corrected.


NLS's website lists all the steps a book goes through.

It is very time consuming.

At the ACB convention we have a narrator come every year and Gordon Gould
was the one I hard speak. he talked about all the extra research he has to
do, and that if his "proofreader" doesn't like how it comes out, he has to
do it over again.


So... yes, the cassette books do indeed go through a form of transcription.

Now RFB and D, obviously doesn't have such "high" standards and it shows
sometimes.

Smile.  Though since I have been in college they never have what I need.



Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
and Judson, guiding golden
juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
Graduate Alumni Association Board
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Puppies are the joy at one end.
Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
Carolyn Alexander

----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:04 PM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: How Many NLS Members? (was) Re: Bad scan
Wheel of Time 3


Doing transcription, maybe, but I don't see how that applies to spoken-word
recordings.


----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: How Many NLS Members? (was) Re: Bad scan
Wheel of Time 3


I like having the best of all worlds.

I get some magazines in my email, some on cassette, and books online, and
some through the mail.  I love having the freedom of choosing what I want
to
read and if it isn't available, than I make it available.

Web Braille is nice, but they also have errors, just not as many.  Course
doing transcription, I can see why it takes months, and sometimes years
for
books to become available.


Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Alumni Association Board www.guidedogs.com

Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
Puppies are the joy at one end.
Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
Carolyn Alexander

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:31 PM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: How Many NLS Members? (was) Re: Bad scan
Wheel of Time 3


Hi,

I'm new to this list and new to bookshare.  Only been a member of
bookshare
for less than two months.  As a child growing up in the 60's, when you
could
not buy braille or commercial audio books, my dream was to be able to own
books someday.  Now with commercial audio, sites like audible.com and
especially web braille and book share, I can own all the books in the
world
I want.  Already I've discovered that bookshare has books that aren't
available through NLS, authors they don't have at all.  or I can get
beloved
books in braille, as I've longed to have them.  there's also the benefit
of
being able to get new released books long before they are available on
NLS.
Technology has given us many ways that we can now access books, and I am
delighted.  Anyone who can participate in all the ways to obtain books is
lucky and shouldn't be denied that possibility, just because they can get
books from NLS.

As for scanning books that aren't available from NLS, I'm glad that many
people seem to do that, because i've already been able to discover new
authors and random books I wouldn't be able to read otherwise.

just my perspective after longing for many years to be able to fill my
life
and home with hundreds and hundreds of books.  Now, I fill my computer
with
them, but there are hundreds you can be sure.

Sherry


-----Original Message----- From: Shannon A. Reece [mailto:shazza@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:47 AM To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: How Many NLS Members? (was) Re: Bad scan Wheel of Time 3


Evanwhile you are totally right in saying that many books are available
from
both Bookshare andNLS, in most all cases Bookshare can get new books much
faster than NLS. Let's take The Motive by John Lescroart. While it is
now
available on NLS, Bookshare had it several months ago. I love John
Lescroart and the only reason I chose to wait for the book through NLS is
because my favorite narator is reading it and he's worth the wait. If a
narator whom I do not like was reading the NLS copy, I would have read it
from Bookshare. To imply or feel or say that books which are now or may
be
in future available through NLS should not be scanned for Bookshare is
wrong, in my very humble opinion. Some people, like our very own Julie,
don't do talking books. It doesn't matter why she doesn't use Talking
books/cassettes, she does not and this is her own personal choice. Why
should she be deprived of books through Bookshare, where she may read them
in her media of choice, which is Braille in our Julie's case.
I wanted to read the latest Tes Gerritsen book, Vanish, which still isn't
available through NLS though it is inprocess with a book number, and
didn't
want to wait. for NLS to get it out. I read it through Bookshare and
don't
plan on reading it through NLS. So for me, I have choices--a choice to
wait
for The Motive through NLS because of my favorite narrator--a choice to
read
Vanish as soon as it is available through Bookshare.
Now if you really feel that you want to scan books for Bookshare that
cannot
be gotten anywhere else, by all means go for it. I mean what you do for
Bookshare is your choice and whether I read books or not, I thank God
every
time I see the new books page for Bookshare because I have more books at
my
disposal--books I don't have to return and can take my time in reading.
These are just one old lady's thoughts. I've been with NLS since I was 7.
I am now 46. I love NLS. NLS, as my daughter says, "rocks my socks." I
would never ever give up my NLS, but Bookshare is one more way of getting
more of what I love, books.
Shannon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] How Many NLS Members? (was) Re: Bad scan
Wheel
of Time 3



This reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask: Does anyone here
have any idea what proportion of Bookshare members are NLS members? I
was
reminded because _The Dragon Reborn_ as well as all the other Wheel of
Time
books except _Knife of Dreams_ are available from NLS.

I would expect that anyone eligible for Bookshare membership should be
eligible for NLS membership except for people who are not U.S. citizens?
Are there any other categories of people who can get Bookshare but not
NLS?
Are there people who can get NLS but not Bookshare?

I am curious because there are some really great books which are not on
Bookshare which are available from NLS.  If the number of Bookshare
members
who are not - or cannot be - NLS members is very small, then I don't know
whether it would be worth the time and effort to scan books that are
already
available there. But if - for whatever reason - a substantial minority -
I
don't know what fraction that would be exactly - aren't able to get books
from NLS, then these books should be scanned even though they are
available
there.  My first inclination is to want to put up books which aren't
available anywhere else, either NLS or RFB&
D; RFB&D I don't think should count, though, but perhaps it should?  I
don't
know.  But I would be willing to scan some books that I feel should be
accessible and put them up here if there are a lot of people who can't
get
them from NLS.  Sorry, but I'm not inclined to do it just for people who
simply prefer reading in Braille, though.  I'm an avid Braille reader
myself, but if something is already available on tape, then that's how I
read it.

There are already quite a few books up here which are recorded from NLS,
maybe because people didn't know they were available, or because they
didn't
want to wait the inordinate amount of time NLS seems to take.  I have
submitted books for that reason myself.  But books that are already
available from NLS and which are not yet on Bookshare are the ones I'm
talking about, or, in the case of _The Dragon Reborn_, books which seem
to
have quality problems.

Thanks for any insights.  I would imagine this has been discussed here
before.  I would expect that the issue of duplicating work done by other
services has been brought up here, but it was before my time.  If so,
sorry
for bringing it up again, but maybe someone could give me the gist of
what
the thinking was about this.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:19 AM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Bad scan Wheel of Time 3


> Hello all, > > I've noticed that The Dragon Reborn by Robert Jordan apparently needs > work. It is book 3 in the Wheel of Time series. I've finished the
first
> two books and liked them but book 3 is difficult to read at best. The
> scan is OK but the words run together without spaces. Often there > will
be
> a word, period to indicate the sentence end, and another word with no
> space.  Sometimes I just get clumps of letters which I suppose are
> supposed to be words but I can't figure them out.  Would someone look
into
> this and possibly rescan?  Maybe someone on the volunteer list can
> help.
> It looks like a great book if it was more readable.  Be warned, it's
huge
> though!
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