[bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:13:41 -0700 (PDT)
I suspect that perhaps Pavi meant to say to start the numbering with whatever
the page number is is on the first page of the main text. Sometimes when the
first page is numbered with something other than1 , I go backwards and number
he preceding pages, including the title page, copyright page, blank pages,
etc., until I get to th number of the first page. At other times, if there are
too many or I'm feeling lazy, I simply add a note to the short synopsis that
the story or main text begins with page whatever.
Cindy
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>From: Pavi Mehta <pavim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 3:04:59 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
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>Great question Lori.
>Let me try and clarify:
>
>In some instances there are page numbers in the original text
>but these numbers just don’t scan. In such cases, if the proofreader has
>access to information on where the numbering starts, via the volunteer who
>scanned the book or another source then he/she should follow that numbering
>system.
>
>However, in cases where there are no page numbers in the scanned
>file and when either the proofreader has no way of obtaining information
>regarding numbering in the original text or when there are actually no page
>numbers in the original text then Bookshare guidelines recommend starting page
>number one with the main content of the book.
>
>
>Basically we would like to have a standardized guideline for
>inserting page numbers in such cases. That said, we are not attached to this
>particular approach, and if it makes more sense to have volunteers start page
>number one with the very first page of the book rather than use roman numerals
>for pre-chapter 1 pages then we can rewrite the guideline accordingly before
>finalizing it for the manual. Please let me know what you think (and others
>please chime in if you have feedback).
>
>All good things,
>Pavi
>
>Pavi Mehta
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>From:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Castner
>Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:35 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
>
>Pavi,
>
>I
>do not understand this guideline:
>When
>inserting page numbers in a book that has none please start page number one
>>with the main content of the book.
>
>Most
>books do not start the content with page 1--some start with 3, 5, or 7.
>If we always start with page 1, then our pagination may well not match
>the pagination of the print book, so what good is it?
>
>Lori
>C.
>
>-----
>>Original Message -----
>>From:Pavi Mehta
>>To:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent:Tuesday, June 02,
>>2009 2:05 PM
>>Subject:[bksvol-discuss] Re:
>>Page numbers?
>>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>This thread has been great in that it’s pointed out places
>>where our guidelines for page numbering could use some more detail.
>>Am including here a draft of some insertions that it would be
>>great to have feedback on before finalizing them for the manual.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Pavi
>>
>>If only every other page is numbered in a book, should I number
>>the left out pages in the scanned file?
>>Yes.. In such cases please insert page numbers where they are
>>missing.
>>
>>Guidelines for inserting page numbers in a book that has none:
>>
>>When inserting page numbers in a book that has none please start
>>page number one with the main content of the book. Roman numerals can be used
>>for all pages preceding chapter 1 and for any end matter.
>>
>>Bookshare Guidelines for dealing with Blank Pages:
>>
>>Please retain all blank pages when scanning or proofreading a book
>>for Bookshare. To avoid confusion, all blank pages should be indicated in the
>>following manner: Open square bracket, type the phrase Blank Page, close
>>square
>>bracket. Example: [BLANK PAGE]
>>
>>Should Blank Pages be numbered?
>>Typically blank pages in the original book are not numbered, but
>>are accounted for in pagination. In order to make the approval process
>>more efficient, while proofreading books for Bookshare, please insert page
>>numbers on all blank pages.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From:>>bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:15 AM
>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
>>
>>Rick, No wonder your book was such a joy to proofread.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From:Rik James
>>>To:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Sent:Monday, June 01, 2009 11:30 PM
>>>Subject:[bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
>>>
>>>The first book I ever submitted I did not know or ever
>>>even consider about page numbers. I got a nice email from someone who was
>>>proofing asking me what about pages such and such? I wondered to
>>>myself at first, what's the big deal, the text is all good, and so
>>>on. Then soon I discovered she was correct, there was some missing and
>>>some duplicates. So lesson learned. It was quite a learning
>>>experience, and ever since I have paid close attention to the page numbers
>>>as I
>>>scan a book and then look it over to see that it all is there before I
>>>submit it. The person who actually has the book in hand can save a lot of
>>>worry and problem solving by getting it right at the front end of the
>>>project,
>>>I believe.
>>>
>>>One thing I do now is to also look at the page numbers listed in
>>>the Table of Contents when the book has one. To check to see if the page
>>>numbers for the corresponding chapters fall on that page and that there is a
>>>page number. Sometimes there is a blank page at the end of a chapter or
>>>between them and it will not have a page number printed but it is part of the
>>>pagination.
>>>
>>>All of the business of how many pages your file has in your unit,
>>>that gets sort of strange, and I always just look right away (so to speak,
>>>using speech or whatever) to see where pagination begins in the book, with
>>>roman numerals, or whatever. They are not always marked, yet may be reflected
>>>in the table of contents. So I make sure as best I can that the pagination
>>>works all like it is supposed to.
>>>
>>>And I do move page numbers to the top even if they are at the
>>>bottom myself. I know someone said they thought that might be changing too
>>>much
>>>from the original. I have to say I do not think it does. In fact as a
>>>reader, if I hear that the page number is at the end of a page I am usually
>>>fooled and am thinking I am starting on the next page. Some good
>>>number of books from Bookshare have two page numbers that do not match
>>>together
>>>in the text. I don't know what is the reason this happens. I do get
>>>used to it, but it is a bit confusing and I think, unnecessary if we who
>>>submit
>>>take on those tasks early on and just pay attention as we go before
>>>submitting.
>>>
>>>If I am out of line, sorry. Just going off what I have experienced
>>>thus far in this little wee world of book scanning.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>Rik
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From:Mayrie ReNae
>>>Sent:Monday,
>>>June 01, 2009 8:19 PM
>>>To:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject:>>>[bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
>>>
>>>Hi Megan,
>>>
>>> I have noticed that when Amazon gives a page
>>>count, it often includes preliminary pages. Perhaps your page count will
>>>match if you add the number of preliminary pages, and the number of pages of
>>>actual text?
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>>Mayrie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>From:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Megmil85@xxxxxxx
>>>Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:11 PM
>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
>>>Yes, that's the one. It seems that the text portion has 164 pages,
>>>that's the page count word and my BrailleNote gave me for the part without
>>>the
>>>front matter but Amazon.com says it should have 176 so I'm not sure what the
>>>inconsistency is related to. The book scanned great, no duplications or
>>>omissions so I don't know if I should just insert page numbers at the top of
>>>each page even though it'll come out shorter than it supposedly should be or
>>>if
>>>we could/should go through and see what each page starts with.
>>> I'm new at this, especially the page
>>>number policy, so just tell me what I should do. Oh, can you do me
>>>two favors? Can you tell me what was on the title page, they told me I needed
>>>to insert one before the copyright when I tried to submit it this morning,
>>>how
>>>many Roman Numerals there are and how many pages? I want to make sure I get
>>>the
>>>title page right and maybe Amazon got the page count wrong. Thanks!
>>> I loved this book, I have to say. I was
>>>surprised and had just gotten it thinking it'd be an easy read, but I really
>>>enjoyed it.
>>>
>>>In a message dated 6/1/2009 6:52:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>>>amber.wallens@xxxxxxxxx writes:
>>>I think I scanned the book you are referring to, if it's Halloween
>>>>Rain. I have the book if there are any problems. I submitted it
>>>>before BKS's page number policy.
>>>>Amber
>>>>Book blog:
>>>>http://community.livejournal.com/book_cuddler/
>>>>>>>>I have accepted a seat in the House of Representatives, and thereby have
>>>>consented to my own ruin, to your ruin, and to the ruin of our children. I
>>>>give
>>>>>>>>you this warning that you may prepare your mind for your fate.
>>>>>>>>John Adams
>>>>>>>>E-Mail: amber.wallens@xxxxxxxxx
>>>
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