[bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
- From: "Pavi Mehta" <pavim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:04:59 -0700
Great question Lori.
Let me try and clarify:
In some instances there are page numbers in the original text but these
numbers just don't scan. In such cases, if the proofreader has access to
information on where the numbering starts, via the volunteer who scanned
the book or another source then he/she should follow that numbering
system.
However, in cases where there are no page numbers in the scanned file
and when either the proofreader has no way of obtaining information
regarding numbering in the original text or when there are actually no
page numbers in the original text then Bookshare guidelines recommend
starting page number one with the main content of the book.
Basically we would like to have a standardized guideline for inserting
page numbers in such cases. That said, we are not attached to this
particular approach, and if it makes more sense to have volunteers start
page number one with the very first page of the book rather than use
roman numerals for pre-chapter 1 pages then we can rewrite the guideline
accordingly before finalizing it for the manual. Please let me know what
you think (and others please chime in if you have feedback).
All good things,
Pavi
Pavi Mehta
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Castner
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:35 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
Pavi,
I do not understand this guideline:
When inserting page numbers in a book that has none please start page
number one
with the main content of the book.
Most books do not start the content with page 1--some start with 3, 5,
or 7. If we always start with page 1, then our pagination may well not
match the pagination of the print book, so what good is it?
Lori C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Pavi Mehta <mailto:pavim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:05 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
Hi All,
This thread has been great in that it's pointed out places where
our guidelines for page numbering could use some more detail.
Am including here a draft of some insertions that it would be
great to have feedback on before finalizing them for the manual.
Thanks,
Pavi
If only every other page is numbered in a book, should I number
the left out pages in the scanned file?
Yes. In such cases please insert page numbers where they are
missing.
Guidelines for inserting page numbers in a book that has none:
When inserting page numbers in a book that has none please start
page number one with the main content of the book. Roman numerals can be
used for all pages preceding chapter 1 and for any end matter.
Bookshare Guidelines for dealing with Blank Pages:
Please retain all blank pages when scanning or proofreading a
book for Bookshare. To avoid confusion, all blank pages should be
indicated in the following manner: Open square bracket, type the phrase
Blank Page, close square bracket. Example: [BLANK PAGE]
Should Blank Pages be numbered?
Typically blank pages in the original book are not numbered, but
are accounted for in pagination. In order to make the approval process
more efficient, while proofreading books for Bookshare, please insert
page numbers on all blank pages.
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:15 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
Rick, No wonder your book was such a joy to proofread.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik James <mailto:rixmix2009@xxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:30 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
The first book I ever submitted I did not know or ever
even consider about page numbers. I got a nice email from someone who
was proofing asking me what about pages such and such? I wondered to
myself at first, what's the big deal, the text is all good, and so on.
Then soon I discovered she was correct, there was some missing and some
duplicates. So lesson learned. It was quite a learning experience, and
ever since I have paid close attention to the page numbers as I scan a
book and then look it over to see that it all is there before I submit
it. The person who actually has the book in hand can save a lot of
worry and problem solving by getting it right at the front end of the
project, I believe.
One thing I do now is to also look at the page numbers
listed in the Table of Contents when the book has one. To check to see
if the page numbers for the corresponding chapters fall on that page and
that there is a page number. Sometimes there is a blank page at the end
of a chapter or between them and it will not have a page number printed
but it is part of the pagination.
All of the business of how many pages your file has in
your unit, that gets sort of strange, and I always just look right away
(so to speak, using speech or whatever) to see where pagination begins
in the book, with roman numerals, or whatever. They are not always
marked, yet may be reflected in the table of contents. So I make sure as
best I can that the pagination works all like it is supposed to.
And I do move page numbers to the top even if they are
at the bottom myself. I know someone said they thought that might be
changing too much from the original. I have to say I do not think it
does. In fact as a reader, if I hear that the page number is at the end
of a page I am usually fooled and am thinking I am starting on the next
page. Some good number of books from Bookshare have two page numbers
that do not match together in the text. I don't know what is the reason
this happens. I do get used to it, but it is a bit confusing and I
think, unnecessary if we who submit take on those tasks early on and
just pay attention as we go before submitting.
If I am out of line, sorry. Just going off what I have
experienced thus far in this little wee world of book scanning.
Thanks.
Rik
From: Mayrie ReNae <mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 8:19 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
Hi Megan,
I have noticed that when Amazon gives a page count,
it often includes preliminary pages. Perhaps your page count will match
if you add the number of preliminary pages, and the number of pages of
actual text?
Good luck!
Mayrie
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Megmil85@xxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:11 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
Yes, that's the one. It seems that the text portion has
164 pages, that's the page count word and my BrailleNote gave me for the
part without the front matter but Amazon.com says it should have 176 so
I'm not sure what the inconsistency is related to. The book scanned
great, no duplications or omissions so I don't know if I should just
insert page numbers at the top of each page even though it'll come out
shorter than it supposedly should be or if we could/should go through
and see what each page starts with.
I'm new at this, especially the page number policy,
so just tell me what I should do. Oh, can you do me two favors? Can you
tell me what was on the title page, they told me I needed to insert one
before the copyright when I tried to submit it this morning, how many
Roman Numerals there are and how many pages? I want to make sure I get
the title page right and maybe Amazon got the page count wrong. Thanks!
I loved this book, I have to say. I was surprised
and had just gotten it thinking it'd be an easy read, but I really
enjoyed it.
In a message dated 6/1/2009 6:52:44 P.M. Pacific
Daylight Time, amber.wallens@xxxxxxxxx writes:
I think I scanned the book you are referring to,
if it's Halloween Rain. I have the book if there are any problems. I
submitted it before BKS's page number policy.
Amber
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