[bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?

I never add this type of information to the short synopsis since it should be 
only about the contents of the book. If I felt the need, I would put it in the 
comments section. Also I never arbitrarily number preliminary pages because I 
sometimes leave one or two out if they are just advertising. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cindy 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:13 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?


  I suspect that perhaps Pavi meant to say to start the numbering with whatever 
the page number is  is on the first page of the main text. Sometimes when the 
first page is numbered with something other than1 , I go backwards and number 
he preceding pages, including the title page, copyright page, blank pages, 
etc., until I get to th number of the first page.. At other times, if there are 
too many or I'm feeling lazy, I simply add a note to the short synopsis that 
the story or main text begins with page whatever. 


  Cindy


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    From: Pavi Mehta <pavim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 3:04:59 PM
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?


    Great question Lori. 

    Let me try and clarify:



    In some instances there are page numbers in the original text but these 
numbers just don’t scan. In such cases, if the proofreader has access to 
information on where the numbering starts, via the volunteer who scanned the 
book or another source then he/she should follow that numbering system.



    However, in cases where there are no page numbers in the scanned file and 
when either the proofreader has no way of obtaining information regarding 
numbering in the original text or when there are actually no page numbers in 
the original text then Bookshare guidelines recommend starting page number one 
with the main content of the book. 





    Basically we would like to have a standardized guideline for inserting page 
numbers in such cases. That said, we are not attached to this particular 
approach, and if it makes more sense to have volunteers start page number one 
with the very first page of the book rather than use roman numerals for 
pre-chapter 1 pages then we can rewrite the guideline accordingly before 
finalizing it for the manual. Please let me know what you think (and others 
please chime in if you have feedback).



    All good things,

    Pavi



    Pavi Mehta

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    From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Castner
    Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:35 PM
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?



    Pavi,



    I do not understand this guideline:

    When inserting page numbers in a book that has none please start page 
number one
    with the main content of the book.



    Most books do not start the content with page 1--some start with 3, 5, or 
7.  If we always start with page 1, then our pagination may well not  match the 
pagination of the print book, so what good is it?



    Lori C.



      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Pavi Mehta 

      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

      Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:05 PM

      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?



      Hi All,



      This thread has been great in that it’s pointed out places where our 
guidelines for page numbering could use some more detail.

      Am including here a draft of some insertions that it would be great to 
have feedback on before finalizing them for the manual.



      Thanks,

      Pavi



      If only every other page is numbered in a book, should I number the left 
out pages in the scanned file?

      Yes. In such cases please insert page numbers where they are missing.



      Guidelines for inserting page numbers in a book that has none:



      When inserting page numbers in a book that has none please start page 
number one with the main content of the book. Roman numerals can be used for 
all pages preceding chapter 1 and for any end matter. 



      Bookshare Guidelines for dealing with Blank Pages:



      Please retain all blank pages when scanning or proofreading a book for 
Bookshare. To avoid confusion, all blank pages should be indicated in the 
following manner: Open square bracket, type the phrase Blank Page, close square 
bracket. Example: [BLANK PAGE]



      Should Blank Pages be numbered?

      Typically blank pages in the original book are not numbered, but are 
accounted for in pagination.  In order to make the approval process more 
efficient, while proofreading books for Bookshare, please insert page numbers 
on all blank pages.









      From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
      Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:15 AM
      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?



      Rick, No wonder your book was such a joy to proofread. 

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: Rik James 

        To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

        Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:30 PM

        Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?



        The first book I ever submitted I did not know or ever even consider 
about page numbers. I got a nice email from someone who was proofing asking me 
what about pages such and such?  I wondered to myself at first, what's the big 
deal, the text is all good, and so on.  Then soon I discovered she was correct, 
there was some missing and some duplicates.  So lesson learned.  It was quite a 
learning experience, and ever since I have paid close attention to the page 
numbers as I scan a book and then look it over to see that it all is there 
before I submit it.  The person who actually has the book in hand can save a 
lot of worry and problem solving by getting it right at the front end of the 
project, I believe.  



        One thing I do now is to also look at the page numbers listed in the 
Table of Contents when the book has one.  To check to see if the page numbers 
for the corresponding chapters fall on that page and that there is a page 
number.  Sometimes there is a blank page at the end of a chapter or between 
them and it will not have a page number printed but it is part of the 
pagination.  



        All of the business of how many pages your file has in your unit, that 
gets sort of strange, and I always just look right away (so to speak, using 
speech or whatever) to see where pagination begins in the book, with roman 
numerals, or whatever. They are not always marked, yet may be reflected in the 
table of contents. So I make sure as best I can that the pagination works all 
like it is supposed to.  



        And I do move page numbers to the top even if they are at the bottom 
myself. I know someone said they thought that might be changing too much from 
the original. I have to say I do not think it does.  In fact as a reader, if I 
hear that the page number is at the end of a page I am usually fooled and am 
thinking I am starting on the next page.   Some good number of books from 
Bookshare have two page numbers that do not match together in the text.  I 
don't know what is the reason this happens. I do get used to it, but it is a 
bit confusing and I think, unnecessary if we who submit take on those tasks 
early on and just pay attention as we go before submitting.



        If I am out of line, sorry. Just going off what I have experienced thus 
far in this little wee world of book scanning.



        Thanks.

        Rik







        From: Mayrie ReNae 

        Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 8:19 PM

        To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

        Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?



        Hi Megan,



            I have noticed that when Amazon gives a page count, it often 
includes preliminary pages.  Perhaps your page count will match if you add the 
number of preliminary pages, and the number of pages of actual text?  



            Good luck!



        Mayrie








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        From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Megmil85@xxxxxxx
        Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:11 PM
        To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?

        Yes, that's the one. It seems that the text portion has 164 pages, 
that's the page count word and my BrailleNote gave me for the part without the 
front matter but Amazon.com says it should have 176 so I'm not sure what the 
inconsistency is related to. The book scanned great, no duplications or 
omissions so I don't know if I should just insert page numbers at the top of 
each page even though it'll come out shorter than it supposedly should be or if 
we could/should go through and see what each page starts with. 

            I'm new at this, especially the page number policy,  so just tell 
me what I should do. Oh, can you do me two favors? Can you tell me what was on 
the title page, they told me I needed to insert one before the copyright when I 
tried to submit it this morning, how many Roman Numerals there are and how many 
pages? I want to make sure I get the title page right and maybe Amazon got the 
page count wrong. Thanks! 

            I loved this book, I have to say. I was surprised and had just 
gotten it thinking it'd be an easy read, but I really enjoyed it.



        In a message dated 6/1/2009 6:52:44 P..M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
amber.wallens@xxxxxxxxx writes:

          I think I scanned the book you are referring to, if it's Halloween 
Rain.  I have the book if there are any problems.  I submitted it before BKS's 
page number policy.

          Amber

          Book blog:
          http://community.livejournal.com/book_cuddler/
          I have accepted a seat in the House of Representatives, and thereby 
have consented to my own ruin, to your ruin, and to the ruin of our children. I 
give
          you this warning that you may prepare your mind for your fate.
          John Adams
          E-Mail: amber.wallens@xxxxxxxxx




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