I put them where they are in the print book,when they're there. I've figured out that they're there because printers don't skip lines in those two places. At other places, double-spacing in the same books indicate change of scene or time. G.Cindy --- EVAN REESE <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hmmm, I don't recall any examples off the top of my > head where I needed to > make that decision. But, thinking about it just now, > I would probably put > them at the bottom of the page. No particular > reason, though, and I don't > think it really matters. But if page numbers are not > at the tops of the > pages, the asterisks might be stripped out if you > put them at the top of the > next page. But if the page numbers are at the top, > then I think it's six of > one or a half dozen of the other. > > Evan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BlindGeek" <yakkoman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:07 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers, Chapter > Headings and Scene > Breaks > > > > Me, too. But what about when theyr'e not there > and you need to put them > > in? If it ahppens to occur at the end of a page, > do you put them at the > > bottom of the current page, or at the top of the > next one when the new > > scene begins? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:15 PM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers, > Chapter Headings and Scene > > Breaks > > > > > >> In the case where the book has asterisks already > in it, I just leave them > >> where the publisher or the author put them. > >> > >> Evan > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "BlindGeek" <yakkoman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:00 AM > >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers, > Chapter Headings and Scene > >> Breaks > >> > >> > >>> Well, I've got news for you, Cindy. I used to > do the same thing. It > >>> hadn't even occurred to me to change this, even > though I read books and > >>> continued to have momentary confusion. I'm not > sure why, but one night > >>> I was reading and lo and behold, there were > asterisks at the bottom of > >>> the page and voila, a lightbulb went off in my > head. (Incidentally, the > >>> electric bill that month was quite interesting. > . . . Okay, actually it > >>> wasn't, but I had to make a funny.) > >>> > >>> Now, my final question about those asterisks ... > sometimes they're at > >>> the bottom of a page in a book, and sometimes > they're at the top of a > >>> page. Does anybody know if there's a hard and > fast rule about whether or > >>> when the astiersks should be at the top of a > page where the new scene > >>> begins or at the bottom of the page where the > old scene ends? For some > >>> reason I'm not sure about, I prefer them at the > top of the page where > >>> the new scene begins, but more often I see it at > the bottom of the old > >>> scene's page. > >>> > >>> Thanks for any and all help, you guys rock! > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> > >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:05 AM > >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers, > Chapter Headings and Scene > >>> Breaks > >>> > >>> > >>>>I am *so* glad that I waited to reply to Eric > until I > >>>> finished reading all my mail. Thank you, > Mayrie, for > >>>> answering him so promptly and accurately--and > Eric, > >>>> you made it relatively easy by figuring > everything out > >>>> correctly. > >>>> > >>>> And actually, your last paragraph will help me > to do > >>>> better validations. Where there are asterisks > in the > >>>> print book, I put them in, but where the are > double > >>>> spaces to indicate change of scene, I've been > putting > >>>> double or triple spaces. Noting that you say > that that > >>>> is confusing and asterisks make it easier to > >>>> understand, henceforth I shall do that with a > line > >>>> space before and after. Thank you for the > information. > >>>> > >>>> G.Cindy > >>>> --- Mayrie ReNae <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Eric! > >>>>> > >>>>> You're awesome! You've got it all > correct! > >>>>> Surround both > >>>>> page numbers and page breaks with blank lines. > So, > >>>>> your pages will > >>>>> look like this: > >>>>> > >>>>> Page break > >>>>> Blank line > >>>>> Page number > >>>>> Blank line > >>>>> Text on the page > >>>>> Blank line > >>>>> Next page break. > >>>>> > >>>>> You are absolutely right, the > concensus is > >>>>> that page numbers > >>>>> at the tops of pages makes navigation easier. > >>>>> Putting them at the > >>>>> tops of pages is not required, but many of us > do > >>>>> move them there when > >>>>> they appear at the bottom. > >>>>> > >>>>> Inserting asterisks to denote scene > changes > >>>>> is just what > >>>>> many of us also do. It's terrific, and > thoughtful. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now, as for chapter headings. I'll > try not > >>>>> to wax terribly > >>>>> verbose on this. When page numbers appear at > the > >>>>> tops of all pages, > >>>>> your chapter headings will not be deleted. > Though > >>>>> it may not be > >>>>> perfectly in accordance with the printed book, > when > >>>>> just a numeral > >>>>> indicates a chapter heading, I add the word > Chapter, > >>>>> as you > >>>>> stated. I do this so that an inexperienced > >>>>> validator won't > >>>>> accidentally think that a single character on > a line > >>>>> is a scanning > >>>>> error and remove it. > >>>>> > >>>>> If, for some reason, you have a book > in > >>>>> which the page > >>>>> numbers appear at the bottoms of pages, and > you do > >>>>> not feel inclined > >>>>> to move them, you can still protect the > chapter > >>>>> heading from being > >>>>> stripped. Just insert the page number at the > top of > >>>>> each page > >>>>> containing a chapter heading as well as > leaving it > >>>>> at the > >>>>> bottom. Chapter headings need, also, to be > >>>>> surrounded by blank > >>>>> lines. A page containing a chapter heading > should > >>>>> appear like this: > >>>>> > >>>>> Page break > >>>>> Blank line > >>>>> Page number > >>>>> Blank line > >>>>> Chapter heading > >>>>> Blank line > >>>>> Text on the page > >>>>> Blank line > >>>>> Next page break. > >>>>> > >>>>> When you treat chapter headings as I have > described, > >>>>> the page numbers > >>>>> at the tops of the pages that you inserted to > >>>>> protect the chapter > >>>>> headings may well be stripped. That's okay, > because > >>>>> the page number > >>>>> is as you left it at the bottom of the page, > and > >>>>> your chapter heading > >>>>> will remain. > >>>>> > >>>>> Just to be thorough, in case you choose not to > move > >>>>> page numbers at > >>>>> the bottoms of pages, a page containing text > and > >>>>> page number at the > >>>>> bottom should look like this: > >>>>> > >>>>> Page break > >>>>> Blank line > >>>>> Text on the page > >>>>> Blank line > >>>>> Page number > >>>>> Blank line > >>>>> Next page break. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry this was such a long note. Now that > you've > >>>>> gotten through it, > >>>>> the short of it is that you have EXACTLY the > right > >>>>> ideas about how to > >>>>> handle the things that you asked about. Carry > on! > >>>>> And I just love > >>>>> to work with folks as conscientious, and > careful as > >>>>> you are! Thank you! > >>>>> > >>>>> Peace, > >>>>> Mayrie > >>>>> > >>>>> At 01:01 AM 1/18/2008, you wrote: > >>>>> >Hi. My name's Eric Troup. Some of you may > >>>>> remember me because I > >>>>> >used to frequent the Bookshare mailing list. > >>>>> > > >>>>> >I've been looking over the submission > guidelines > >>>>> for volunteers and > >>>>> >have a couple questions. > >>>>> > > >>>>> >First, regarding page numbers: I understand > that we > >>>>> have to keep the > >>>>> >page numbers sequential to match the book. I > >>>>> assume, therefore, > >>>>> >that although headers ought to be removed > (page > >>>>> headrs, I mean), the > >>>>> >page number itself should remain. Is this > correct? > >>>>> Furthermore, if > >>>>> >the book has page numbers on the bottom of > each > >>>>> page, oughtn't we > >>>>> >put them at the top instead, for ease of > reference? > >>>>> > > >>>>> >And while on the subject of pages, when I > look at a > >>>>> .rtf document > >>>>> >using Wordpad, there's only a line break > between > >>>>> the end of one page > >>>>> >and the beginning of another. No real page > break > >>>>> at all. (I > >>>>> >currently don't have Microsoft Word, but if > memory > >>>>> serves, it did in > >>>>> >fact let you know when you moved onto a new > page of > >>>>> an .rtf > >>>>> >file.) Should we be putting a blank line > above and > >>>>> below the page > >>>>> >number at the top of a page? > >>>>> > > >>>>> >My next question concerns chapter headings. > Once, > >>>>> I had occasion to > >>>>> >read the copy of a book I'd submitted after > it'd > >>>>> been posted to > >>>>> >Bookshare, and found to my slight annoyance > that > >>>>> the chapter > >>>>> >headings were missing. Now, in this book, > the > >>>>> chapter heading > >>>>> >consisted of a number. That's it. Just a > line > >>>>> with a 1 or 2 or > >>>>> >what-have-you. Those lines were, apparently, > being > >>>>> deleted > >>>>> >automatically because I made sure I put them > in. > >>>>> (The book as > >>>>> >scanned had no headings at all either, but I > know > >>>>> having read other > >>>>> >books in the same series with an Optacon that > the > >>>>> chapter number is > >>>>> >there, it's just enclosed in a graphic which > the > >>>>> OCR software can't > >>>>> >usually read. In my recent submissions, I > solved > >>>>> this problem > >>>>> >thusly: if the chapter heading was "1," I'd > write > >>>>> "Chapter 1" in its > >>>>> >place. If the heading was "One," I'd wrie > "Chapter > >>>>> One" > >>>>> >instead. Should I stop doing this? Is that > >>>>> considered editing an > >>>>> >author's work? > >>>>> > > >>>>> >My final question involves scene breaks which > are > >>>>> normally > >>>>> >designated with a double-space in printed > material. > >>>>> Reading > >>>>> >Bookshare books, I've sometimes found it > jarring, > >>>>> trying to figure > >>>>> >out what's going on. Obvoiusly, context > usually > >>>>> shows me that a new > >>>>> >scene has started, but sometimes that takes a > >>>>> paragraph or two, > >>>>> >particularly if the previous scene ended with > >>>>> dialogue and the new > >>>>> >scene begins with dialogue. I noticed that > in > >>>>> printed works, when a > >>>>> >scene ends at the end of a page, the scene is > shown > >>>>> to be ending > >>>>> >with three asterisks on an otherwise blank > line ("* > >>>>> * *"). So, I > >>>>> >took it upon myself to simply insert these > >>>>> asterisks into a book > >>>>> >where there was normally a double-space > between > >>>>> scenes. I find > >>>>> >that, for myself, this makes the experience > of > >>>>> reading a book with a > >>>>> >speech synthesizer much easier, since I don't > have > >>>>> to distract > >>>>> >myself from the story long enough to figure > out why > >>>>> what I'm reading > >>>>> >doesn't make much sense. Similar to my > question > >>>>> about chapter > >>>>> >headings, is my inserting the asterisks > considered > >>>>> editing the > >>>>> >author's work? Should I stop doing this in > my > >>>>> Bookshare submissions? > >>>>> > > >>>>> >Thanks. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank > Email to > >>>>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject > >>>>> line. 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