[bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers, Chapter Headings and Scene Breaks

  • From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:05:33 -0800 (PST)

I am *so* glad that I waited to reply to Eric until I
finished reading all my mail. Thank you, Mayrie, for
answering him so promptly and accurately--and Eric,
you made it relatively easy by figuring everything out
correctly.

And actually, your last paragraph will help me to do
better validations. Where there are asterisks in the
print book, I put them in, but where the are double
spaces to indicate change of scene, I've been putting
double or triple spaces. Noting that you say that that
is confusing and asterisks make it easier to
understand, henceforth I shall do that with a line
space before and after. Thank you for the information.

G.Cindy
--- Mayrie ReNae <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Eric!
> 
>          You're awesome!  You've got it all correct!
>  Surround both 
> page numbers and page breaks with blank lines.  So,
> your pages will 
> look like this:
> 
> Page break
> Blank line
> Page number
> Blank line
> Text on the page
> Blank line
> Next page break.
> 
>          You are absolutely right, the concensus is
> that page numbers 
> at the tops of pages makes navigation easier. 
> Putting them at the 
> tops of pages is not required, but many of us do
> move them there when 
> they appear at the bottom.
> 
>          Inserting asterisks to denote scene changes
> is just what 
> many of us also do.  It's terrific, and thoughtful.
> 
>          Now, as for chapter headings.  I'll try not
> to wax terribly 
> verbose on this.  When page numbers appear at the
> tops of all pages, 
> your chapter headings will not be deleted.  Though
> it may not be 
> perfectly in accordance with the printed book, when
> just a numeral 
> indicates a chapter heading, I add the word Chapter,
> as you 
> stated.  I do this so that an inexperienced
> validator won't 
> accidentally think that a single character on a line
> is a scanning 
> error and remove it.
> 
>          If, for some reason, you have a book in
> which the page 
> numbers appear at the bottoms of pages, and you do
> not feel inclined 
> to move them, you can still protect the chapter
> heading from being 
> stripped.  Just insert the page number at the top of
> each page 
> containing a chapter heading as well as leaving it
> at the 
> bottom.  Chapter headings need, also, to be
> surrounded by blank 
> lines.  A page containing a chapter heading should
> appear like this:
> 
> Page break
> Blank line
> Page number
> Blank line
> Chapter heading
> Blank line
> Text on the page
> Blank line
> Next page break.
> 
> When you treat chapter headings as I have described,
> the page numbers 
> at the tops of the pages that you inserted to
> protect the chapter 
> headings may well be stripped.  That's okay, because
> the page number 
> is as you left it at the bottom of the page, and
> your chapter heading 
> will remain.
> 
> Just to be thorough, in case you choose not to move
> page numbers at 
> the bottoms of pages, a page containing text and 
> page number at the 
> bottom should look like this:
> 
> Page break
> Blank line
> Text on the page
> Blank line
> Page number
> Blank line
> Next page break.
> 
> Sorry this was such a long note.  Now that you've
> gotten through it, 
> the short of it is that you have EXACTLY the right
> ideas about how to 
> handle the things that you asked about.  Carry on! 
> And I just love 
> to work with folks as conscientious, and careful as
> you are!  Thank you!
> 
> Peace,
> Mayrie
> 
> At 01:01 AM 1/18/2008, you wrote:
> >Hi.  My name's Eric Troup.  Some of you may
> remember me because I 
> >used to frequent the Bookshare mailing list.
> >
> >I've been looking over the submission guidelines
> for volunteers and 
> >have a couple questions.
> >
> >First, regarding page numbers: I understand that we
> have to keep the 
> >page numbers sequential to match the book.  I
> assume, therefore, 
> >that although headers ought to be removed (page
> headrs, I mean), the 
> >page number itself should remain.  Is this correct?
>  Furthermore, if 
> >the book has page numbers on the bottom of each
> page, oughtn't we 
> >put them at the top instead, for ease of reference?
> >
> >And while on the subject of pages, when I look at a
> .rtf document 
> >using Wordpad, there's only a line break between
> the end of one page 
> >and the beginning of another.  No real page break
> at all.  (I 
> >currently don't have Microsoft Word, but if memory
> serves, it did in 
> >fact let you know when you moved onto a new page of
> an .rtf 
> >file.)  Should we be putting a blank line above and
> below the page 
> >number at the top of a page?
> >
> >My next question concerns chapter headings.  Once,
> I had occasion to 
> >read the copy of a book I'd submitted after it'd
> been posted to 
> >Bookshare, and found to my slight annoyance that
> the chapter 
> >headings were missing.  Now, in this book, the
> chapter heading 
> >consisted of a number.  That's it.  Just a line
> with a 1 or 2 or 
> >what-have-you.  Those lines were, apparently, being
> deleted 
> >automatically because I made sure I put them in. 
> (The book as 
> >scanned had no headings at all either, but I know
> having read other 
> >books in the same series with an Optacon that the
> chapter number is 
> >there, it's just enclosed in a graphic which the
> OCR software can't 
> >usually read.  In my recent submissions, I solved
> this problem 
> >thusly: if the chapter heading was "1," I'd write
> "Chapter 1" in its 
> >place.  If the heading was "One," I'd wrie "Chapter
> One" 
> >instead.  Should I stop doing this?  Is that
> considered editing an 
> >author's work?
> >
> >My final question involves scene breaks which are
> normally 
> >designated with a double-space in printed material.
>  Reading 
> >Bookshare books, I've sometimes found it jarring,
> trying to figure 
> >out what's going on.  Obvoiusly, context usually
> shows me that a new 
> >scene has started, but sometimes that takes a
> paragraph or two, 
> >particularly if the previous scene ended with
> dialogue and the new 
> >scene begins with dialogue.  I noticed that in
> printed works, when a 
> >scene ends at the end of a page, the scene is shown
> to be ending 
> >with three asterisks on an otherwise blank line ("*
> * *").  So, I 
> >took it upon myself to simply insert these
> asterisks into a book 
> >where there was normally a double-space between
> scenes.  I find 
> >that, for myself, this makes the experience of
> reading a book with a 
> >speech synthesizer much easier, since I don't have
> to distract 
> >myself from the story long enough to figure out why
> what I'm reading 
> >doesn't make much sense.  Similar to my question
> about chapter 
> >headings, is my inserting the asterisks considered
> editing the 
> >author's work?  Should I stop doing this in my
> Bookshare submissions?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
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