[bksvol-discuss] Re: Help me with The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

Hmmmm, I see what you mean. But I wonder why Kurzweil just doesn't look for the 
line of dashes and read the page number at the end of it. That's a pretty 
standard convention for indicating print pages. And as I said, Third Reich 
seems to be paginated pretty well in my brf version.

Evan

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:44 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help me with The Rise and Fall of the Third 
Reich


  I'm not sure of course, but I suspect that bookshare strips them, and the 
ones it misses Kurzweil doesn't read them.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: EVAN REESE 
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:40 PM
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help me with The Rise and Fall of the Third 
Reich


    From what I have read here, and observed with brf files at least, it 
appears to be a Kurzweil issue, not a Bookshare issue.

    Evan

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Mike and Lori Castner 
      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 11:20 AM
      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help me with The Rise and Fall of the Third 
Reich


      Hello Dr. Cross.  I believe you need to contact the administration of 
bookshare concerning this problem.  They need to know that page numbers are 
important in just about any book and they need to know what you had to go 
through in order to find the right page number.  They may need to talk with 
places like the printing house in Louisville and National Braille Press where 
braille books are routinely produced that let you know both braille and print 
pages.  It may be that they need to make specific recommendations to users 
about how to assure accurate results from bookshare books.  Is it possible to 
read a daisy or BRF file in Kurtzweil, Etc.

      I believe that you have the necessary presteige and background to make 
the administration aware of this pressing problem.  Please pardon my two cents 
in this matter.
      Mike
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Kenneth Cross 
        To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 3:18 PM
        Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help me with The Rise and Fall of the 
Third Reich


        Well, we have been doing some of the same things.  I also found the one 
page variation, but why should one have to work so hard to get adequate 
information.  When I opened the book in FS Reader, the pagination was correct.  
The page numbers were also there when I looked at the html copy.  But when I 
used the brf copy with Kurzweil no page numbers appeared and the length of the 
book was about 66 pages longer.  What is strange about the brf material is that 
there is no cognizance of page changes.  Chapters will begin on the same page 
with the Contents of the book, and most chapters begin in the middle of a page. 
 One would think that there was a better way.
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Bob 
          To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:50 PM
          Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help me with The Rise and Fall of the 
Third Reich


          Okay, this is pretty strange.

          As I said in a previous message I was using k1000v10. Others with 
other software or other versions of Kurzweil may find different results.

          I downloaded the daisy copy of "the rise and fall of the third Reich" 
and opened it in Kurzweil.

          There are random page numbers that do show in the book, page VII for 
example. However, most are missing. But, Kurzweil is true to the book if you 
make allowances for the extra page that bookshare adds in on page two. For 
example, page 1524 in the book was reported on page 1525. So, to find out what 
page you are on press shift f1 in the book and mentally add the number 1 to 
whatever k1000 reports you are on.

          I checked out header avoidance in the reading settings, making sure 
that header avoidance was enabled. According to the manual, this should report 
page headings, but it doesn't.

          I swear the page numbers were there when the book was submitted to 
the bookshare administration. I can only conclude that the stripper took them 
out, or Kurzweil isn't reporting them.

          I am going to save the book in .txt format, open it with a good old 
text editor and see if page numbers and, I hope, page breaks are there. But, 
don't hold your breath. I'll report it if there is any difference.

          Bob
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Kenneth Cross 
            To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
            Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:35 PM
            Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help me with The Rise and Fall of the 
Third Reich


            Will the daisy tags indicate the actual page number or will those 
tags reflect the number of pages, including introductory pages?  Any way, I 
will try that right now.   
              ----- Original Message ----- 
              From: Kellie Hartmann 
              To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
              Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:51 PM
              Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help me with The Rise and Fall of 
the Third Reich


              If you get the Daisy version, you can see the page numbers in the 
Daisy tags using the Bookmark list commands. Otherwise, you can use a notetaker 
or bookport or book courrier if you have one, or, if you need to, you can use 
Internet Explorer to read the html version included with the Daisy version. Use 
the Jaws placemarker commands to make bookmarks or save your place, or convert 
the file back to txt with Explorer and put it back in Kurzweil.
              Kellie


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