[bksvol-discuss] Re: Formatting Tabs or Spaces
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:25:55 -0700 (PDT)
Hmmm. Before I learned how to change the margins under
Paragraph under Format in Word, I spent a lot of time
adjusting the formatting of some Indian (Asian) poetry
and philosophy. I wish I'd known then about the tabs
being eaten up. I did learn a lot about Word in the
process, though, so it wasn't all for naught.
Cindy
--- Jake Brownell <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Lissi,
> Here's a look at what BookShare tries to do.
>
> It attempts to identify paragraphs, and
> digitally marks them as such. The power of DAISY
> comes into play because the DAISY book knows what a
> paragraph is. In theory, software programs from that
> point on should display the paragraphs how the user
> wants. For example you may wish to have a blank line
> denote paragraphs, whereas others may want to have
> an indent. For some users, a larger indent might be
> nice and so they can use that.
>
> Keep in mind that sometimes OCR software
> misjudges how many blank spaces should be in a given
> place. More often than not it's clearer to the
> reader if they are presented in a uniform fassion.
>
> Now, the fact that Tabs are eaten...right, they
> should at minimum be replaced with a space. And
> multiple spaces probably should be kept as well. But
> unfortunately, with automated systems, reproducing
> each and every book exactly as it appears in print
> is a practical impossibility.
>
> HTH,
> Jake
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Estelnalissi
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:57 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Formatting Tabs or
> Spaces
>
>
> Dear Kelly,
>
> Thanks for the explanation.
>
> Does this mean when books are produced from
> Bookshare, there's no such thing as an indent at
> all? So this book with 4 separate margins to
> indicate quotes from narrative from song lyrics by
> arranging words flush, paragraph indent, deep quote
> indent and one between paragraph and quote used for
> lines of quotes over 1 line long will appear with no
> indents at all?
>
> I'm surprised we're worrying about the fractional
> inches of difference between m dash and double dash
> etc, when the entire spatial formatting of all of
> the books is wiped out.
>
> You know I love Bookshare and am always willing to
> work within the system, but all of this talk about
> precisely duplicating the book now sounds like
> overkill. I mean, at least as far as margins,
> indents for paragraphs, indented poetry and quotes
> or reproduced correspondence, anything the publisher
> sets off spatially is erased?
>
> When I taught elementary to both blind and sighted
> kids, this spacing often helped kids find their
> place on a page, and alerted them to the insertion
> of material other than the narrative. I'm just
> shocked that I'm realizing this for the first time
> after 13 months of trying to insure that a book's
> format was replicated.
>
> It isn't a criticism, but a huge alteration in my
> perception of my responsibility. It will make
> validating easier, ignoring spacing and margins, but
> it makes me realize bookshare books come out sort of
> literally flattened.
>
> It does go to prove I can barely see my computer
> screen. I've listened to several books on Daisy
> assuming the print was scrolling in an arrangement
> close to that of the print book. It never occurred
> to me that everything was left justified. I didn't
> go character by character to hear where things were
> placed. On my braille note, I also gave up on
> understanding the format and read only for content.
> Lack of format is the reason I haven't read poetry
> on my BN. For most sighted poetry writers, placement
> of their words is a part of the art, a compliment to
> the words.
>
> As you suggest, I'll go on as I am. It's still
> scary to change things with only 30 pages to go.
>
> From now on, everything is left justified with
> only hard breaks to indicate paragraphs, not even a
> blank line between them. Do I understand it now?
>
> From the perspective of a person who has read
> braille from first grade and only read print because
> it was the only way to read nearly 100 percent of
> the reading material in the world I can say cramming
> print together without offsetting anything with
> spaces, makes it visually more difficult to read.
> This isn't an issue with me because I need bookshare
> for access to audio and braille books.
> Realistically, I understand very well that when a
> system tries to cater to every need, the end result
> is that far fewer people are served in the long run.
>
> Back to work I go, to an easier job and always
> loving bookshare.
>
> Always with love,
>
> Lissi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kellie Hartmann
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:54 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Formatting Tabs or
> Spaces
>
>
> Hi Lissi and Paula,
> I had to think about the spacing issue to get it
> straight in my head before answering these. Lissi, I
> absolutely hate to tell you this after all the work
> you've gone to on this validation. What happens is
> that tabs are completely eaten and not replaced with
> even a space, and strings of spaces are all reduced
> to one space. I don't know why this should be, but
> we had done some testing in the past and that was
> what we'd figured out. Lissi, I wouldn't go back and
> take the spaces out of your current project.
> Hopefully all the care you've taken on the dashes
> will suffice to let readers know what's going on.
> Kellie
>
>
>
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