atw: Re: WARNING: Recruiter advertisements are ONLY trawling for resumes for tender responses!
- From: Bob Trussler <bob.trussler@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:10:11 +1000
Warren,
Wow, that is certainly more than two cents worth!
A personal question - do you vote for politicians at elections?
Bob T
On 15 August 2012 15:02, Warren Lewington <wjlewington@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Yes, nice counter points Bede. ****
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> The recruitment agent from late yesterday has called me twice since, both
> times to sincerely apologise. And my word yes, this episode has cost the
> recruitment agency far more than it cost me. They now have to work damned
> hard to restore trust, and faith in them to me, not to mention the costs of
> paying the agent and adverts and so on. And, they certainly see my skills
> have value. And that is nice to know. But I digress towards egomania…****
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> This morning the lady conveyed apologies from her contact within the
> bidding company. The person there too, had been misled. ****
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> There are two issues here. ****
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> One is doing your research. My major gripe is that with further digging on
> the two occasions in the last few days, the true picture would have been
> very clear. I don’t need to go there anymore.****
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> The second goes back to honesty and ethical dealings in business. Sure,
> there is the Trade Practices Act, where grey areas abound of course. Bede,
> you are absolutely right, my resume as a commodity in that situation MIGHT
> get me the work. Typically the bid companies never offer the job to you
> when they win it – they don’t even call. ****
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> More than that though, it was the FACT that I was lied to about the
> existent role as advertised. Someone knew they needed resume information.
> Someone made the decision to say there was a legitimate role available,
> somewhere in the feeding trough. Someone knew that they would get resumes
> worth including in the bid by saying there was a job available – but they
> knew there was not. That deception got them resumes. ****
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> Our society works because for centuries our ancestors built a cultural
> system around morality and honesty. The justice system we have built our
> society upon requires a commitment from everyone to maintain and live by
> the standards of honesty and morality our ancestors fought and died for.
> The Australian Constitution was written relying on the fact that our
> society enshrined fundamental understandings of the Westminster,
> Judeo-Christian system of morality and honesty. “Tell the truth” is one of
> them – even if it doesn’t make you look all that good.****
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> If we simply let people behave amorally (making decisions based on what is
> right for them at the time) within the constructs we have been ancestrally
> provided then we are going to erode all that we have been given, and others
> have sacrificially defended. If you want to live in a community that says
> “Its right if I think it is right and it benefits me to do it this way
> now;” then we are going to have a big fail on our hands… By saying “it’s
> the way it is; just swim with it” you are letting people get away with
> deceit and lying.****
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> Where does it end? It ends with losing fundamental rights. Someone doing
> something because it suits them at the time may not be illegal, but that
> does not make it right according to fundamental tenets of honesty and
> integrity. ****
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> Solzhenitsyn said we must question everything those in authority do –
> otherwise they will take our right to question away. ****
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> By highlighting the problems we can actually make an effort to prevent the
> slide down a very slippery slope. It is up to us all to demand expected,
> acceptable standards of honesty and integrity from everyone else in
> society. United we stand, divided we fall. Do unto others as you would have
> them do unto you. I don’t like being used by deception. Do any of you?****
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> My further two cents worth. ****
>
> Warren.****
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> *From:* austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *SUNTER Bede
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:37
>
> *To:* austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* atw: Re: WARNING: Recruiter advertisements are ONLY trawling
> for resumes for tender responses!****
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> ****
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> No, let's make sure it keeps going.****
>
> Like Christine says, get with the script. So, agencies are resume hunting
> ... who cares? Just send it to them. Who knows when that bingo moment will
> occur and you land the job?****
>
> ****
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> The problem of agencies' mis-specifying roles and suddenly terminating
> recruitment are a bit different -- this stuffs people around. But hey,
> these are the seas we swim in. Do you think agents have better nothing to
> do with their time than stuff tech writers around? Are recruitment agents
> sometimes out of their depth? Yes! just get over it. They are being stuffed
> around themselves by government departments and corporations who know they
> need something but don't know what it is; are prone to sudden funding cuts,
> restructures by stealth and general uncertainty.****
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> ****
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> Be part of the solution.****
>
> ****
>
> Bede****
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>
> *From:* austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Michelle Hallett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 August 2012 8:20 PM
> *To:* austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* atw: Re: WARNING: Recruiter advertisements are ONLY trawling
> for resumes for tender responses!****
>
> So it’s everywhere. Let’s just accept it. That’ll make sure it stops****
>
> Michelle****
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> *From:* austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Bill Parker
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 August 2012 6:35 PM
> *To:* austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* atw: Re: WARNING: Recruiter advertisements are ONLY trawling
> for resumes for tender responses!****
>
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> Its everywhere. I was advised of a FIFO TW job at Cape Lambert (WA north
> west). I applied and got no reply. Much later I was talking to another TW
> who was bemoaning the way TWs are treated. She said she had taken a job at
> Cape Lambert… turned out to be doing office cleaning mostly, with an
> occasional document re-write.****
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> Bill****
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> On 14/08/2012, at 2:55 PM, Michelle Hallett wrote:****
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> I support Warren. The sort of behaviour he describes sucks.****
>
> Michelle****
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> ****
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> ****
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> *From:* austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> ] *On Behalf Of *Warren Lewington
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 August 2012 4:27 PM
> *To:* austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* atw: WARNING: Recruiter advertisements are ONLY trawling for
> resumes for tender responses!****
>
> ****
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> Hi all.****
>
> ****
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> A large number of the contract roles being posted at the moment are not
> genuine. I have found this out after stupidly sending resumes off - and on
> one occasion after specifically asking if the role has been funded and
> authorised. To which question, the answer was “yes.” Twice in the last 24
> hours I have later been called and told that the “role” I applied for is a
> tender response and they (those placing the bid) want to use my resume as
> part of the bid.****
>
> ****
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> Well. I think if all you want is a resume for the off chance you might win
> a tender bid then you should damn well say it in the advertisements and
> more, you should be paying for it. I spend a lot of time updating my
> resume, which reflects the skills I have taken years of effort, energy, and
> graft to develop.****
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> ****
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> So for me, in this respect, the resume is a product or commodity of
> considerable value, and should be treated as such.****
>
> ****
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> SO YOU SHOULD BLOODY WELL PAY FOR IT. Especially if you win the bid, and
> don’t choose to use the people whose resumes you took and put into the bid
> – and I know that happens – I have worked in a bidding department for John
> Holland...****
>
> ****
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> To follow that up, I have today (15:50 actually) called the ACCC to ask
> about the false advertising regulatory framework and have been told that
> (basically) if there is no monetary exchange (commercial or otherwise) then
> the advertisements and unethical behaviour such as we are seeing from the
> recruiters is out of the ACCCs capability to act against. Well, I bet the
> recruiters must know that already. ****
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> ****
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> I think this sort of behaviour is beyond dishonest. It demonstrates to me
> the lack of trust that recruiters and their cronies higher up the food
> chains have rightfully earned. I also think that the recruiters on the list
> should be ashamed of your own industry. You need to shape yourselves up.
> You cannot deny or defend yourselves in the face of such miserable hyena
> like ethical behaviour.****
>
> ****
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> If you are having trouble understanding honesty, ethics, and integrity;
> then perhaps you should talk to a local minister, imam, priest or rabbi;
> they can assist you with a moral compass. I can give you several names if
> you want them.****
>
> ****
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> Unimpressed.****
>
> Warren Lewington…****
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