atw: Re: WARNING: Recruiter advertisements are ONLY trawling for resumes for tender responses!
- From: "Warren Lewington" <wjlewington@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:09:35 +1000
Not much anymore. But I have yet to take the courage and be fined and not
pay; then front up in court for not voting. I really should. I feel strongly
enough to do it though. And I am seriously investigating the consequences of
that kind of conviction to my international travel and visa applications for
the next federal election. Just in case.
I am deeply disillusioned with our current crop of leaders. The 24 hour
media cycle has done more damage to our political life than anyone really
understands. It is far too ephemeral for real leadership to be seen and
observed. Our politicians don't really need to have any vision for the
future - they just think about the next verbal swipe's content for the news.
Twelve seconds worth. So. Visionary.
The refugee issue is a classic case study. If both sides of politics had
galvanised and approached the issue from an Asian/Pacific regional
perspective 15 years ago, we would have solved the larger problem and been
an example to the whole world. Everyone is tired of the whole debate and
horrified that Australian's are letting people drown or left to be exploited
as slaves (as are educated middle class Indonesians, Philipinos and
Malaysians TOO). Yet our so-called political leaders refuse to actually do
what we as human beings really want - stop the suffering of those poor
people not as lucky as we were concerning where we were born and can choose
to live.
This issue isn't a parochial ideological media issue. It is a fundamental
human rights issue - which international law has clearly outlined for
everyone to see. More importantly it is about natural human Justice.
Everyone in Asia and the Pacific has a responsibility to respect that -
because one day you MIGHT NEED THE LAWS for your own benefit too. But not
one politician in Australia has clearly articulated any of that regularly
have they?
We as a society need to seriously re-engage with values that are fundamental
to our cultural existence. WE all need to shape up a bit and face some
desperately difficult decisions.
Like are we all serious about being takers? Because that really is what our
society in Australia has become - we 'take' what we can when we can and we
aren't really accepting that each of those 'take' decisions has a
fundamentally bigger cost to us than the price we paid for it.
Deciding to be dishonest for your own immediate benefit, and taking away the
right of someone else to be treated respectfully with integrity by you is
only the first one I can think of.
Warren.
From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Trussler
Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2012 15:10
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: WARNING: Recruiter advertisements are ONLY trawling for
resumes for tender responses!
Warren,
Wow, that is certainly more than two cents worth!
A personal question - do you vote for politicians at elections?
Bob T
On 15 August 2012 15:02, Warren Lewington <wjlewington@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, nice counter points Bede.
The recruitment agent from late yesterday has called me twice since, both
times to sincerely apologise. And my word yes, this episode has cost the
recruitment agency far more than it cost me. They now have to work damned
hard to restore trust, and faith in them to me, not to mention the costs of
paying the agent and adverts and so on. And, they certainly see my skills
have value. And that is nice to know. But I digress towards egomania.
This morning the lady conveyed apologies from her contact within the bidding
company. The person there too, had been misled.
There are two issues here.
One is doing your research. My major gripe is that with further digging on
the two occasions in the last few days, the true picture would have been
very clear. I don't need to go there anymore.
The second goes back to honesty and ethical dealings in business. Sure,
there is the Trade Practices Act, where grey areas abound of course. Bede,
you are absolutely right, my resume as a commodity in that situation MIGHT
get me the work. Typically the bid companies never offer the job to you when
they win it - they don't even call.
More than that though, it was the FACT that I was lied to about the existent
role as advertised. Someone knew they needed resume information. Someone
made the decision to say there was a legitimate role available, somewhere in
the feeding trough. Someone knew that they would get resumes worth including
in the bid by saying there was a job available - but they knew there was
not. That deception got them resumes.
Our society works because for centuries our ancestors built a cultural
system around morality and honesty. The justice system we have built our
society upon requires a commitment from everyone to maintain and live by the
standards of honesty and morality our ancestors fought and died for. The
Australian Constitution was written relying on the fact that our society
enshrined fundamental understandings of the Westminster, Judeo-Christian
system of morality and honesty. "Tell the truth" is one of them - even if it
doesn't make you look all that good.
If we simply let people behave amorally (making decisions based on what is
right for them at the time) within the constructs we have been ancestrally
provided then we are going to erode all that we have been given, and others
have sacrificially defended. If you want to live in a community that says
"Its right if I think it is right and it benefits me to do it this way now;"
then we are going to have a big fail on our hands. By saying "it's the way
it is; just swim with it" you are letting people get away with deceit and
lying.
Where does it end? It ends with losing fundamental rights. Someone doing
something because it suits them at the time may not be illegal, but that
does not make it right according to fundamental tenets of honesty and
integrity.
Solzhenitsyn said we must question everything those in authority do -
otherwise they will take our right to question away.
By highlighting the problems we can actually make an effort to prevent the
slide down a very slippery slope. It is up to us all to demand expected,
acceptable standards of honesty and integrity from everyone else in society.
United we stand, divided we fall. Do unto others as you would have them do
unto you. I don't like being used by deception. Do any of you?
My further two cents worth.
Warren.
From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of SUNTER Bede
Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:37
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: WARNING: Recruiter advertisements are ONLY trawling for
resumes for tender responses!
No, let's make sure it keeps going.
Like Christine says, get with the script. So, agencies are resume hunting
... who cares? Just send it to them. Who knows when that bingo moment will
occur and you land the job?
The problem of agencies' mis-specifying roles and suddenly terminating
recruitment are a bit different -- this stuffs people around. But hey, these
are the seas we swim in. Do you think agents have better nothing to do with
their time than stuff tech writers around? Are recruitment agents sometimes
out of their depth? Yes! just get over it. They are being stuffed around
themselves by government departments and corporations who know they need
something but don't know what it is; are prone to sudden funding cuts,
restructures by stealth and general uncertainty.
Be part of the solution.
Bede
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From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michelle Hallett
Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2012 8:20 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: WARNING: Recruiter advertisements are ONLY trawling for
resumes for tender responses!
So it's everywhere. Let's just accept it. That'll make sure it stops
Michelle
From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Parker
Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2012 6:35 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: WARNING: Recruiter advertisements are ONLY trawling for
resumes for tender responses!
Its everywhere. I was advised of a FIFO TW job at Cape Lambert (WA north
west). I applied and got no reply. Much later I was talking to another TW
who was bemoaning the way TWs are treated. She said she had taken a job at
Cape Lambert. turned out to be doing office cleaning mostly, with an
occasional document re-write.
Bill
On 14/08/2012, at 2:55 PM, Michelle Hallett wrote:
I support Warren. The sort of behaviour he describes sucks.
Michelle
From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Warren Lewington
Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2012 4:27 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: WARNING: Recruiter advertisements are ONLY trawling for
resumes for tender responses!
Hi all.
A large number of the contract roles being posted at the moment are not
genuine. I have found this out after stupidly sending resumes off - and on
one occasion after specifically asking if the role has been funded and
authorised. To which question, the answer was "yes." Twice in the last 24
hours I have later been called and told that the "role" I applied for is a
tender response and they (those placing the bid) want to use my resume as
part of the bid.
Well. I think if all you want is a resume for the off chance you might win a
tender bid then you should damn well say it in the advertisements and more,
you should be paying for it. I spend a lot of time updating my resume, which
reflects the skills I have taken years of effort, energy, and graft to
develop.
So for me, in this respect, the resume is a product or commodity of
considerable value, and should be treated as such.
SO YOU SHOULD BLOODY WELL PAY FOR IT. Especially if you win the bid, and
don't choose to use the people whose resumes you took and put into the bid -
and I know that happens - I have worked in a bidding department for John
Holland...
To follow that up, I have today (15:50 actually) called the ACCC to ask
about the false advertising regulatory framework and have been told that
(basically) if there is no monetary exchange (commercial or otherwise) then
the advertisements and unethical behaviour such as we are seeing from the
recruiters is out of the ACCCs capability to act against. Well, I bet the
recruiters must know that already.
I think this sort of behaviour is beyond dishonest. It demonstrates to me
the lack of trust that recruiters and their cronies higher up the food
chains have rightfully earned. I also think that the recruiters on the list
should be ashamed of your own industry. You need to shape yourselves up. You
cannot deny or defend yourselves in the face of such miserable hyena like
ethical behaviour.
If you are having trouble understanding honesty, ethics, and integrity; then
perhaps you should talk to a local minister, imam, priest or rabbi; they can
assist you with a moral compass. I can give you several names if you want
them.
Unimpressed.
Warren Lewington.
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