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From: Steve Traugott <stevegt@xxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 21:27:36 -0700
Subject: [AR] Re: SpaceX
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If you take a look at LOX vent near the top if does change it's form just the boom, cowincedince?, maybe.
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I'm still converging on the infrastructure idea myself (see my crane collapse comparison videos from yesterday). Haven't had a chance to stare at any photos of the strongback yet.
I was interested by the discussion of the wrong material being used for a spacer plate between the bushing and lock ring on Big Blue's king pin assembly, and the witness description of the lock ring flying out of the assembly. Fascinating how something as simple as using the wrong grade of brass in what is basically a large flat washer was able to lend a plausible cause to such a major disaster.
<https://failures.wikispaces.com/Big+Blue+Crane+Collapse#Abstract:-Theorized>https://failures.wikispaces.com/Big+Blue+Crane+Collapse#Abstract:-Theorized Causes of Collapse:-Crane Structural Failure
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Thom Vincent <<mailto:sworkeld@xxxxxxxxx>sworkeld@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From Twitter:
@abadcliche --> "@elonmusk that sound at :54 sounds like a metal joint popping under stress. e.g. weld failing on strut, welded seam bursting, etc."
<https://twitter.com/abadcliche/status/774256735859138560>https://twitter.com/abadcliche/status/774256735859138560
@elonmusk --> "@abadcliche Most likely true, but we can't yet find it on any vehicle sensors"
<https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/774257337221517312>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/774257337221517312
@abadcliche --> "@elonmusk don't know sensor system so can't go farther (would love to) but reckon delay length important. entire failure system lives there"
<https://twitter.com/abadcliche/status/774296279559974912>https://twitter.com/abadcliche/status/774296279559974912
@abadcliche --> "@elonmusk like that's how long it takes pressure to build up in a certain volume, or for shrapnel to travel"
<https://twitter.com/abadcliche/status/774299112791351296>https://twitter.com/abadcliche/status/774299112791351296