My knits are not really the issue. I seem to have them down pretty well. It is those dang wovens. Just have not found the right hoop tension that allows me to get them hooped and not having them taut. Spray does seem to help as it keeps the fabric and backing together but there has to be a way to get it all to come together the way the guru's say it is supposed to. Have heard of the Helen Hart books, think I'll buy them. So much to learn, so little time. Herb ----- Original Message ----- From: Itchin To Stitch To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:28 AM Subject: [amayausers] Re: Hooping Herb, I've gotten alot of good info. on hooping from Helen Hart and it is how I hoop. After awhile you just get a feel for what is right for a particular garment. By pretensioning and then tightening once the garment is hooped you run the risk of hoop burn and the wrinkle effect around your design after you remove the hoop. I never, ever pull knits to get out wrinkles after hooping. I start over, believe me I've thrown many a knit shirt into the scrap box by pulling after hooping or tightening my hoop screws after hooping. What I usually do if I'm working on a group of like shirts is get the hoop set right with the first shirt, sometimes hooping and rehooping several times to get it right. After that it's good to go for the rest of the shirts (99% of the time). Hope this helps you. You should joing the E-line, there's great info. shared there too. Wendy Solomonson Itchin' To Stitch Arlington, MN (507)964-2224 ----- Original Message ----- From: HK Acree To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:57 PM Subject: [amayausers] Hooping Okay all you folks that been doing this forever, I need some guidance. I read somewhere eons ago about pre-tensioning your hoops. The deal was you get the fabric and backing together then put them in the hoop while it is real loose. Then you tighten the screw, by hand, till it is just snug. This was supposed to give you the right tension during hooping. Sounds good to me. Problem I am having, and really always have, is when I get the fabric hooped I end up with loose fabric in the hoop. Have to gently pull the edges to get the fabric taut. I know this is wrong and read (maybe I read too much) that this is caused by the hoop being to tight and pushing the fabric into the hoop. So I loosen the hoop up, still does it, loosen it some more, not much better. Now I am at the point where I am not sure the garment will stay in the hoop. Not good. This happens primarily when working with thin woven materials.What am I doing wrong? Open to all suggestions, including forgetting about it and going fishing. Herb