Here's My take Herb Hoop your first piece like normal backing and material together then tighten the hoop up by hand first then maybe a half turn or so with a screwdriver. Not too tight then take the two apart (unhoop) because like you said after tightening the hoop it is now "Smaller" which will give you a loose fitting material. Once I have the hoop set I put down the bottom ring place my backing over it lay the garment over the top hold my hand on the bottom ring from the outside to hold it and the backing in place as I smooth out the shirt. then I put the top of the hoop into position so that I can just feel it catch the bottom hoop then I twist to make sure it's aligned (I use the eyeball method which isn't so popular) and push down using my ever increasing waist line to hold the edge of the shirt to the table I'm working on and I push away slightly as I hoop to keep a little tension on the garment and I have it hooped with no wrinkling and or distortion in the weave. the fact that the hoop is already adjusted to the tension I wanted makes it just a matter of getting everything lined up and applying pressure and letting the hoop do its job of tension then holding the garment. You will hear many ways of doing things but try a few different ones and see what works best, I hoop differently than my employees and the result is the same. See what works. Good Luck!! Ron Vinyard Body Cover / Magic Stitches 1-888-435-0176 541-471-1504 fax 471-0427 420 SW H street Grants Pass, OR 97526 info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.bodycoverdesign.com ----- Original Message ----- From: HK Acree To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: [amayausers] Hooping Okay all you folks that been doing this forever, I need some guidance. I read somewhere eons ago about pre-tensioning your hoops. The deal was you get the fabric and backing together then put them in the hoop while it is real loose. Then you tighten the screw, by hand, till it is just snug. This was supposed to give you the right tension during hooping. Sounds good to me. Problem I am having, and really always have, is when I get the fabric hooped I end up with loose fabric in the hoop. Have to gently pull the edges to get the fabric taut. I know this is wrong and read (maybe I read too much) that this is caused by the hoop being to tight and pushing the fabric into the hoop. So I loosen the hoop up, still does it, loosen it some more, not much better. Now I am at the point where I am not sure the garment will stay in the hoop. Not good. This happens primarily when working with thin woven materials.What am I doing wrong? Open to all suggestions, including forgetting about it and going fishing. Herb