Hi Everyone, Don't quote me on this, and maybe I don't understand how you're doing it, but a long time ago (don't even remember who it was) I was told to loosen the hoop just enough to get the fabric/stabilizer in with a little pressure. Then tighten it slightly. I hate trying to get the stabilizer in with the fabric, it never works for me so I just put the fabric (iron on Firm hold on back if it's a stretchy fabric) and slide the stabilizer underneath. I rarely have a problem with loose fabric this way. Only time I loosen the hoop is when I'm hooping a thicker fabric, otherwise it always stays the same and one twist to tighten/loosen. Occasionally I pull the fabric very slightly from both top and bottom at once and then sides at once. At least if I'm stretching it some, it's even, LOL! But I try to do it only on wovens. I'm sure others have better advice on this. Edna _____ I've stopped 366 spam and fraud messages. You can too! One month FREE spam and fraud protection at www.cloudmark.com <http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnet?v1&rc=pmwd4> <http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnet?v1&rc=pmwd4> Cloudmark SafetyBar - Join the fight against spam! _____ From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of HK Acree Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:58 PM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Hooping Okay all you folks that been doing this forever, I need some guidance. I read somewhere eons ago about pre-tensioning your hoops. The deal was you get the fabric and backing together then put them in the hoop while it is real loose. Then you tighten the screw, by hand, till it is just snug. This was supposed to give you the right tension during hooping. Sounds good to me. Problem I am having, and really always have, is when I get the fabric hooped I end up with loose fabric in the hoop. Have to gently pull the edges to get the fabric taut. I know this is wrong and read (maybe I read too much) that this is caused by the hoop being to tight and pushing the fabric into the hoop. So I loosen the hoop up, still does it, loosen it some more, not much better. Now I am at the point where I am not sure the garment will stay in the hoop. Not good. This happens primarily when working with thin woven materials.What am I doing wrong? Open to all suggestions, including forgetting about it and going fishing. Herb