[access-uk] Re: Really good, accessible web sites.
- From: "Peter Logue" <peterlogue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:40:54 -0400
George wrote:
if I can't see what I'm looking for on a web page, what chance have any of
you guys got?
Hmmm. George, quite a statement. However, . I can't count the times that a
sighted person could not find an item on the page, while I, using a screen
reader, have found it with no problem. Only yesterday, a friend could not
locate a search field and associated button! In fact I've often chuckled
because the sighted person couldn't even locate the pointer.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
George Bell
Sent: September 1, 2005 8:25 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Really good, accessible web sites.
Hi Tink,
I agree that the issue of accessible web sites has indeed become very "VI
'centric", as you so eloquently put it.
However, I'd like put a slightly different view forward.
I as good as have 20/20 vision, and I think it's reasonable to say that I do
have a modest amount of computer savvy. I also do a lot of web browsing for
one purpose or another - often to try and help some of you guys out.
However, I am finding an increasing numbers of situations where I am hitting
shocking web design - full stop. So much so indeed that I am actually
finding myself just leaving the page altogether. I just cannot find my way
round it.
I won't bore you with details at this point, but simply say that if I can't
see what I'm looking for on a web page, what chance have any of you guys got?
George.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tink Watson
> Sent: 01 September 2005 12:22
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Really good, accessible web
sites.
>
> James,
>
> Exactly so. Due to the huge effort put in by the RNIB,
> and the fact that by and large people with visual
impairments
> encounter the greatest number of problems in surfing the
Net,
> the idea of web accessibility has become very VI 'centric.
>
> I think that accessibility, whether everyone agrees on
> it's subjectivity, objectivity or not, is something that needs to be
> approached from different angles.
>
> Sites need to be designed well, browsers need to read
the
> code properly, screen readers need to deal with both correctly and
> people need to make the best of their skills
> and talents.
>
> Accessibility is trollied around like the be all and
end
> all, and for those people who can't use a web site, for whatever
> reason, then it is. But the best solution is to
work
> towards the same targets, using the same guidelines to
lead
> the way and with a little luck we'll all meet in the
middle.
>
> The other thing about good coding, is that it is beneficial in
> terms of download speed, hosting storage
space,
> search engine optimisation, future rebranding and general
> ease of use for everyone. So accessibility isn't the only reason for
> getting stuck in with good code either.
>
> Tink.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:43 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Really good, accessible web
sites.
>
>
> > Hi Tink
> >
> > Although I don't have much direct experience of web
design,
> I'm a bit
> > sceptical of some of what I would interpret as the great
panick over
> > accessibility by the great and good of the blindness
> industry, and the
> > over-emphasis on training and on products which claim to
"replace"
> > Windows.
> > However, I guess we have to remember that website
> accessibility is not
> > just
> > a blindness issue. As blind people we are lucky that a
lot
> of the issues
> > we
> > face on websites can be remedied, or at least addressed,
by
> all sorts of
> > sophisticated software. People who have no access to,
or
> do not need,
> > such
> > a heavily customised interface to the web have just as
much
> of a right to
> > access websites, and I guess this is particularlywhere
good
> coding is
> > important.
> >
> > James
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