[access-uk] Re: Really good, accessible web sites.

Hi George,

Another excellent side of it.  Now what we need is people with twenty
twenty, to complain about web site accessibility <Smile>. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
George Bell
Sent: 01 September 2005 13:25
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Really good, accessible web sites.

Hi Tink,

I agree that the issue of accessible web sites has indeed become very "VI
'centric", as you so eloquently put it.

However, I'd like put a slightly different view forward.

I as good as have 20/20 vision, and I think it's reasonable to say that I do
have a modest amount of computer savvy.  I also do a lot of web browsing for
one purpose or another - often to try and help some of you guys out.

However, I am finding an increasing numbers of situations where I am hitting
shocking web design - full stop.  So much so indeed that I am actually
finding myself just leaving the page altogether.  I just cannot find my way
round it.

I won't bore you with details at this point, but simply say that if I can't
see what I'm looking for on a web page, what chance have any of you guys
got?

George.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tink Watson
> Sent: 01 September 2005 12:22
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Really good, accessible web
sites.
> 
> James,
> 
>     Exactly so. Due to the huge effort put in by the RNIB,

> and the fact that by and large people with visual
impairments 
> encounter the greatest number of problems in surfing the
Net, 
> the idea of web accessibility has become very VI 'centric.
> 
>     I think that accessibility, whether everyone agrees on

> it's subjectivity, objectivity or not, is something that needs to be 
> approached from different angles.
> 
>     Sites need to be designed well, browsers need to read
the 
> code properly, screen readers need to deal with both correctly and 
> people need to make the best of their skills

> and talents.
> 
>     Accessibility is trollied around like the be all and
end 
> all, and for those people who can't use a web site, for whatever 
> reason, then it is. But the best solution is to
work 
> towards the same targets, using the same guidelines to
lead 
> the way and with a little luck we'll all meet in the
middle.
> 
>     The other thing about good coding, is that it is beneficial in 
> terms of download speed, hosting storage
space, 
> search engine optimisation, future rebranding  and general

> ease of use for everyone. So accessibility isn't the only reason for 
> getting stuck in with good code either.
> 
> Tink.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:43 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Really good, accessible web
sites.
> 
> 
> > Hi Tink
> >
> > Although I don't have much direct experience of web
design, 
> I'm a bit
> > sceptical of some of what I would interpret as the great
panick over
> > accessibility by the great and good of the blindness
> industry, and the
> > over-emphasis on training and on products which claim to
"replace" 
> > Windows.
> > However, I guess we have to remember that website
> accessibility is not
> > just
> > a blindness issue.  As blind people we are lucky that a
lot 
> of the issues
> > we
> > face on websites can be remedied, or at least addressed,
by 
> all sorts of
> > sophisticated software.  People who have no access to,
or 
> do not need,
> > such
> > a heavily customised interface to the web have just as
much 
> of a right to
> > access websites, and I guess this is particularlywhere
good 
> coding is
> > important.
> >
> > James
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