and the good thing is that site has msn messenger 4.6 or 4.7, I have just checked. Brian Hartgen E-Mail: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx MSN: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: brianhartgen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amro Bilal" <amro_bilal@xxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings. > Jim, you might not have to put up with this version of MSN. Try > > http://www.oldversion.com/ > > and see if you can get the older MSN version which was recommended from > there. I find this site useful anyway! > > HTH, > > Amro > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim.doc" <jim.doc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:19 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings. > > > > Thanks Steve and Brian. I don't have another version of MSN messenger, so > > I'll just have to put up with this one until either someone comes up with > > a > > work around or scripts. > > > > Thanks. > > Jim. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 12:20 PM > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings. > > > > > >> Hi Jim, > >> > >> Those settings don't also work in MSN 7 beta either, so I reckon a > >> rewrite > >> will be needed. I can't do it yet, because I can't find out how to get > > rid > >> of the toolbars in MSN 7 beta. > >> > >> All the best > >> -- > >> Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. > >> Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 > >> mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, > >> Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf > >> Of jim.doc > >> Sent: 21 May 2005 10:56 > >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings. > >> > >> > >> Hi Brian, > >> > >> Jaws 6.10 with MSN version 6.2.. > >> Jim. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:48 PM > >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings. > >> > >> > >> > Hi > >> > I've been away for a couple of days and have not quite got around to > >> > reading all of this thread. Which version of jaws are you running? > >> > Brian Hartgen > >> > E-Mail: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx > >> > MSN: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx > >> > Skype: brianhartgen > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "jim.doc" <jim.doc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:09 PM > >> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings. > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi James, > >> > > > >> > > Thanks for the MSN instructions, however, in MSN 6.2 there's no view > >> menu, > >> > > in the main window or the conversation window. I can't seem to get > >> > > rid > >> of > >> > > the tool bar. I've unchecked both standard and formatting, but it > >> remains > >> > > there. The problem is that when a conversation is started, it won't > > read > >> > out > >> > > what is being sent or received. if I go onto the tool bar with the > >> > > alt > >> key > >> > > and then escape and go back to the input field, it seems to work ok. > > So > >> I > >> > > don't know how to rectify this problem. I hope someone can help. > >> > > > >> > > regards. > >> > > Jim. > >> > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 12:39 PM > >> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Hi Jim > >> > > > > >> > > > I am reposting below a message sent to the list by Brian Hartgen a > >> while > >> > > > ago. > >> > > > > >> > > > James > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Carol > >> > > > Once you get as far as getting your passport, you may find the > >> following > >> > > > notes regarding using Messenger helpful which I think I adapted a > >> while > >> > > ago > >> > > > from the JFW Lite web page. > >> > > > MSN MESSENGER OR WINDOWS MESSENGER > >> > > > > >> > > > Although the following refers to MSN Messenger, it is > >> > > > > >> > > > applicable to Windows Messenger in XP. > >> > > > > >> > > > The first thing you need to do in order to use Messenger is to get > >> > > > a > >> > > > > >> > > > passport. Hotmail addresses already work as a passport by default. > > If > >> > you > >> > > > > >> > > > want to use your own email address, go to > >> > > > http://register.passport.net > >> > > > to > >> > > > > >> > > > get a passport. You will need to verify your email address. To > >> verify > >> > > your > >> > > > > >> > > > email address, an email will arrive with a link in > >> > > > > >> > > > it that you enter on and then you have to enter some information > >> > > > and > >> > > follow > >> > > > > >> > > > the steps. > >> > > > > >> > > > Next install Messenger. You can download it by going to > >> > > > > >> > > > http://messenger.msn.com/ > >> > > > > >> > > > If you are using Windows XP, it already comes installed with > >> > > > > >> > > > Windows Messenger, so you don't need to install it. > >> > > > > >> > > > When it is finished installing, press insert f11, and you should > > find > >> > MSN > >> > > > > >> > > > Messenger not signed in listed in your system tray list. > >> > > > > >> > > > Hit enter on MSN Messenger and arrow down on the context menu to > > sign > >> in > >> > > and > >> > > > > >> > > > enter. > >> > > > > >> > > > Once you have signed in, you need to set up Messenger for best > >> > performance > >> > > > > >> > > > with Jaws. > >> > > > > >> > > > First, you need to change the way that MSN Messenger sorts > >> > > > contacts, > >> > > > > >> > > > and then you need to make some changes to the appearance of the > >> > > > > >> > > > conversation window. To change how MSN sorts contacts: > >> > > > > >> > > > 1. When in the main MSN window, hit alt t for tools, and then c. > >> > > > > >> > > > This will open the sort contacts by sub menu. > >> > > > > >> > > > 2. Arrow down to online/offline and press enter. > >> > > > > >> > > > The first time you have a conversation with someone, to remove the > >> tool > >> > > bar > >> > > > > >> > > > and side bar from the conversation windows, > >> > > > > >> > > > and disable emoticons: > >> > > > > >> > > > 1. Open any conversation window. > >> > > > > >> > > > 2. Press alt v, and arrow down until it says enable emoticons. > >> > > > > >> > > > If it says checked, press enter to uncheck it. > >> > > > > >> > > > 3. Re-enter the view menu, and arrow down until you see show > > toolbar. > >> > > > > >> > > > Press enter if it is checked. > >> > > > > >> > > > 4. Re-enter the view menu and arrow down until it says show > > sidebar. > >> > > > > >> > > > Press enter if it is checked. > >> > > > > >> > > > You should only have to do this once, but there is a slight > >> possibility > >> > > > > >> > > > that you will have to do it twice. After that, the settings should > >> > > > > >> > > > remain as you set them. > >> > > > > >> > > > Next here is a quick overview of the changes you might need to make > > in > >> > the > >> > > > > >> > > > options. Press alt T for tools, O for options. > >> > > > > >> > > > On the personal page, you can type in a screen name as you want > > other > >> > > users > >> > > > > >> > > > to see it. Also tab to show graphical emoticons and uncheck it. > >> > > > > >> > > > Control tab to the preferences page and if you don't want MSN to > > start > >> > > > > >> > > > automatically with Windows, uncheck the box for run this program > > when > >> > > > > >> > > > windows starts. (Note, also if you use OE, go to your tools menu > >> > > > in > >> OE > >> > > and > >> > > > then options > >> > > > > >> > > > and tab to automatically log onto Windows messenger and uncheck > >> > > > it.) > >> > > > > >> > > > On the preferences page leave the alert checkboxes checked as they > > are > >> > for > >> > > > sound > >> > > > > >> > > > notifications. > >> > > > > >> > > > Enter on okay to close the dialog. > >> > > > > >> > > > Now that you have MSN set up, to add a contact, press alt T for > > tools, > >> > and > >> > > > > >> > > > enter on add a contact. > >> > > > > >> > > > Leave the radio button selected for by email address and enter on > > next > >> > and > >> > > > > >> > > > enter the person's MSN contact address. > >> > > > > >> > > > To send a message to a contact, you can hit enter on the contacts > > name > >> > in > >> > > > > >> > > > the main messenger window. > >> > > > > >> > > > You can save your conversation by going to the files menu with alt > > f, > >> > then > >> > > > > >> > > > press A, then a standard save dialog appears. The conversations > >> > > > > >> > > > will be saved as a text file. To leave a conversation hit escape. > >> > > > > >> > > > To start a voice chat with a contact, press the windows application > >> key > >> > > > > >> > > > while focused on the contact name and choose start a voice > >> conversation > >> > > from > >> > > > > >> > > > the context menu. > >> > > > > >> > > > I recommend you go to the tools menu and run the audio tuning > >> > > > wizard > >> > first > >> > > > > >> > > > before you try to voice chat with someone. > >> > > > > >> > > > You can also start a voice chat from a conversation window by > > pressing > >> > alt > >> > > A > >> > > > > >> > > > for the actions menu and enter on start talking. Once they accept > >> your > >> > > > > >> > > > invitation to voice chat you can just start speaking into your > >> > microphone. > >> > > > > >> > > > To send a file, press the windows application key while focused on > > the > >> > > > > >> > > > contact name and enter on send a file from the context menu. > >> > > > > >> > > > You can also send a file from a conversation window by pressing alt > > A > >> > for > >> > > > > >> > > > the actions menu and enter on send a file. > >> > > > > >> > > > A standard open dialog will come up for you to locate your file. > >> > > > > >> > > > As well, if someone sends you a file, it will be placed in > >> > > > > >> > > > c:\my documents\messenger service received files or c:\my > > documents\my > >> > > > > >> > > > received files. > >> > > > > >> > > > You can block or unblock a sender by focusing on the contact name > > and > >> > then > >> > > > > >> > > > pressing the application key and arrow down to block or unblock. > >> > > > If > >> you > >> > > > > >> > > > want to find out who a contact might be, hit alt enter on their > >> > > > name > >> and > >> > > use > >> > > > > >> > > > the JAWS cursor to read their email address. > >> > > > > >> > > > To change your status, tab to where it says my status and your name > > in > >> > the > >> > > > > >> > > > main messenger window and press the application key and enter on > >> > > > the > >> > > status > >> > > > > >> > > > you wish to be seen by others. > >> > > > > >> > > > If you use Jaws 4.50, it will already come with some excellent > > scripts > >> > > that > >> > > > > >> > > > will automatically read incoming messages to you, alert you when > >> > contacts > >> > > > > >> > > > come online and notify you of who is sending you a message. > >> > > > > >> > > > The messages will be placed on the task bar and you can alt tab to > > the > >> > > > > >> > > > conversation when you are notified that someone has > >> > > > > >> > > > sent you a message. > >> > > > > >> > > > Reading Messages > >> > > > > >> > > > When the conversation window is maximized, JAWS automatically reads > >> > > incoming > >> > > > messages. JAWS automatically maximizes the message window as soon > >> > > > as > >> it > >> > is > >> > > > > >> > > > opened. JAWS also provides commands that allow you to read previous > >> > > > messages. For more information about these commands, refer to > >> > > > > >> > > > JAWS Commands for MSN Instant Messenger. > >> > > > > >> > > > MSN Messenger Notifications > >> > > > > >> > > > MSN Messenger displays notification messages to indicate when a > >> contact > >> > > has > >> > > > signed on and to inform you when a new HotMail email message has > > been > >> > > > received. > >> > > > > >> > > > JAWS reads these notifications when they appear, even if you are > >> working > >> > > in > >> > > > another application. To hear the name of the contact who signed in > >> most > >> > > > recently, > >> > > > > >> > > > press ALT+SHIFT+F12. JAWS says, "X signed in at y," with y being > >> > > > the > >> > time > >> > > > the contact signed in. > >> > > > > >> > > > If you are working in another window, MSN plays a sound to alert > >> > > > you > >> > that > >> > > > someone is sending you an instant message. To switch to this > >> > > > "urgent > >> > > > conversation," > >> > > > > >> > > > press CTRL+SHIFT+DASH. JAWS reads the most recent message in the > >> > > > conversation window. > >> > > > > >> > > > Typing Notification > >> > > > > >> > > > When a conversation window is maximized, a clicking sound is heard > >> while > >> > > the > >> > > > contact is typing. To toggle this sound, press CTRL+SHIFT+F12. JAWS > >> can > >> > > also > >> > > > > >> > > > announce when the contact is typing a message. To toggle the status > > of > >> > > this > >> > > > announcement, press ALT+CTRL+F12. If typing sounder and > >> > > > announcement > >> are > >> > > > disabled, > >> > > > > >> > > > press F12 to check the typing status. If the contact is typing a > >> > message, > >> > > a > >> > > > single click sounds. > >> > > > > >> > > > Channels > >> > > > > >> > > > Channels allow you to move quickly to a conversation window from > >> > > > any > >> > other > >> > > > open window, including the windows for other applications. To > >> > > > assign > > a > >> > > > conversation > >> > > > > >> > > > to a channel, press CTRL+1 through 5. To move to a channel which > >> > > > has > >> > been > >> > > > assigned, press CTRL+SHIFT+1 through 5. > >> > > > > >> > > > Emoticons > >> > > > > >> > > > Emoticons are combinations of characters that resemble graphics > >> > > > when > >> > > > rotated. JAWS provides a list of common emoticons for use with MSN > >> > > > messenger. JAWS > >> > > > > >> > > > also uses this list to interpret emoticons in the message window > >> > > > and > >> > reads > >> > > > them as part of the incoming message. > >> > > > > >> > > > To open the list of emoticons, press CTRL+SHIFT+M. To move through > > the > >> > > list, > >> > > > press UP or DOWN ARROW. To insert the selected emoticon into your > >> > > > conversation, > >> > > > > >> > > > press ENTER. > >> > > > > >> > > > VOICE CONVERSATIONS > >> > > > > >> > > > To start a voice conversation, from within the main message window, > >> tab > >> > to > >> > > > the button labelled Start a Voice Conversation. > >> > > > > >> > > > Brian Hartgen > >> > > > > >> > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > >> > > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > >> > > > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > >> > > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > > ** and in the Subject line type > >> > > > ** unsubscribe > >> > > > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > >> > > > ** immediately-following link:- > >> > > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > >> > > > ** or send a message, to > >> > > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > >> > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > >> > > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > >> > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > ** and in the Subject line type > >> > > ** unsubscribe > >> > > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > >> > > ** immediately-following link:- > >> > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > >> > > ** or send a message, to > >> > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > >> > > > >> > > >> > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > >> > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > >> > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > >> > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > ** and in the Subject line type > >> > ** unsubscribe > >> > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > >> > ** immediately-following link:- > >> > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > >> > ** or send a message, to > >> > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > >> > > >> > >> > >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> ** and in the Subject line type > >> ** unsubscribe > >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > >> ** immediately-following link:- > >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > >> ** or send a message, to > >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > >> > >> > >> > >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> ** and in the Subject line type > >> ** unsubscribe > >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > >> ** immediately-following link:- > >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > >> ** or send a message, to > >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > >> > > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ** and in the Subject line type > > ** unsubscribe > > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > > ** immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > ** or send a message, to > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq