Hi Brian, If I do that, there are only standard and formatting, and they are both unchecked, but the darned buttons, winks, nudges, are still there. What next? Cheers. All the best -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Brian Hartgen Sent: 21 May 2005 17:44 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings. Hi Steve Open a conversation window, select tools, show toolbars. The options are in there. Brian Hartgen E-Mail: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx MSN: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: brianhartgen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings. > Hi Jim, > > Those settings don't also work in MSN 7 beta either, so I reckon a rewrite > will be needed. I can't do it yet, because I can't find out how to get rid > of the toolbars in MSN 7 beta. > > All the best > -- > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. > Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, > Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf > Of jim.doc > Sent: 21 May 2005 10:56 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings. > > > Hi Brian, > > Jaws 6.10 with MSN version 6.2.. > Jim. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:48 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings. > > > > Hi > > I've been away for a couple of days and have not quite got around to > > reading all of this thread. Which version of jaws are you running? > > Brian Hartgen > > E-Mail: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx > > MSN: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx > > Skype: brianhartgen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jim.doc" <jim.doc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:09 PM > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings. > > > > > > > Hi James, > > > > > > Thanks for the MSN instructions, however, in MSN 6.2 there's no view > menu, > > > in the main window or the conversation window. I can't seem to get rid > of > > > the tool bar. I've unchecked both standard and formatting, but it > remains > > > there. The problem is that when a conversation is started, it won't read > > out > > > what is being sent or received. if I go onto the tool bar with the alt > key > > > and then escape and go back to the input field, it seems to work ok. So > I > > > don't know how to rectify this problem. I hope someone can help. > > > > > > regards. > > > Jim. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 12:39 PM > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim > > > > > > > > I am reposting below a message sent to the list by Brian Hartgen a > while > > > > ago. > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Carol > > > > Once you get as far as getting your passport, you may find the > following > > > > notes regarding using Messenger helpful which I think I adapted a > while > > > ago > > > > from the JFW Lite web page. > > > > MSN MESSENGER OR WINDOWS MESSENGER > > > > > > > > Although the following refers to MSN Messenger, it is > > > > > > > > applicable to Windows Messenger in XP. > > > > > > > > The first thing you need to do in order to use Messenger is to get a > > > > > > > > passport. Hotmail addresses already work as a passport by default. If > > you > > > > > > > > want to use your own email address, go to > > > > http://register.passport.net > > > > to > > > > > > > > get a passport. You will need to verify your email address. To > verify > > > your > > > > > > > > email address, an email will arrive with a link in > > > > > > > > it that you enter on and then you have to enter some information and > > > follow > > > > > > > > the steps. > > > > > > > > Next install Messenger. You can download it by going to > > > > > > > > http://messenger.msn.com/ > > > > > > > > If you are using Windows XP, it already comes installed with > > > > > > > > Windows Messenger, so you don't need to install it. > > > > > > > > When it is finished installing, press insert f11, and you should find > > MSN > > > > > > > > Messenger not signed in listed in your system tray list. > > > > > > > > Hit enter on MSN Messenger and arrow down on the context menu to sign > in > > > and > > > > > > > > enter. > > > > > > > > Once you have signed in, you need to set up Messenger for best > > performance > > > > > > > > with Jaws. > > > > > > > > First, you need to change the way that MSN Messenger sorts contacts, > > > > > > > > and then you need to make some changes to the appearance of the > > > > > > > > conversation window. To change how MSN sorts contacts: > > > > > > > > 1. When in the main MSN window, hit alt t for tools, and then c. > > > > > > > > This will open the sort contacts by sub menu. > > > > > > > > 2. Arrow down to online/offline and press enter. > > > > > > > > The first time you have a conversation with someone, to remove the > tool > > > bar > > > > > > > > and side bar from the conversation windows, > > > > > > > > and disable emoticons: > > > > > > > > 1. Open any conversation window. > > > > > > > > 2. Press alt v, and arrow down until it says enable emoticons. > > > > > > > > If it says checked, press enter to uncheck it. > > > > > > > > 3. Re-enter the view menu, and arrow down until you see show toolbar. > > > > > > > > Press enter if it is checked. > > > > > > > > 4. Re-enter the view menu and arrow down until it says show sidebar. > > > > > > > > Press enter if it is checked. > > > > > > > > You should only have to do this once, but there is a slight > possibility > > > > > > > > that you will have to do it twice. After that, the settings should > > > > > > > > remain as you set them. > > > > > > > > Next here is a quick overview of the changes you might need to make in > > the > > > > > > > > options. Press alt T for tools, O for options. > > > > > > > > On the personal page, you can type in a screen name as you want other > > > users > > > > > > > > to see it. Also tab to show graphical emoticons and uncheck it. > > > > > > > > Control tab to the preferences page and if you don't want MSN to start > > > > > > > > automatically with Windows, uncheck the box for run this program when > > > > > > > > windows starts. (Note, also if you use OE, go to your tools menu in > OE > > > and > > > > then options > > > > > > > > and tab to automatically log onto Windows messenger and uncheck it.) > > > > > > > > On the preferences page leave the alert checkboxes checked as they are > > for > > > > sound > > > > > > > > notifications. > > > > > > > > Enter on okay to close the dialog. > > > > > > > > Now that you have MSN set up, to add a contact, press alt T for tools, > > and > > > > > > > > enter on add a contact. > > > > > > > > Leave the radio button selected for by email address and enter on next > > and > > > > > > > > enter the person's MSN contact address. > > > > > > > > To send a message to a contact, you can hit enter on the contacts name > > in > > > > > > > > the main messenger window. > > > > > > > > You can save your conversation by going to the files menu with alt f, > > then > > > > > > > > press A, then a standard save dialog appears. The conversations > > > > > > > > will be saved as a text file. To leave a conversation hit escape. > > > > > > > > To start a voice chat with a contact, press the windows application > key > > > > > > > > while focused on the contact name and choose start a voice > conversation > > > from > > > > > > > > the context menu. > > > > > > > > I recommend you go to the tools menu and run the audio tuning wizard > > first > > > > > > > > before you try to voice chat with someone. > > > > > > > > You can also start a voice chat from a conversation window by pressing > > alt > > > A > > > > > > > > for the actions menu and enter on start talking. Once they accept > your > > > > > > > > invitation to voice chat you can just start speaking into your > > microphone. > > > > > > > > To send a file, press the windows application key while focused on the > > > > > > > > contact name and enter on send a file from the context menu. > > > > > > > > You can also send a file from a conversation window by pressing alt A > > for > > > > > > > > the actions menu and enter on send a file. > > > > > > > > A standard open dialog will come up for you to locate your file. > > > > > > > > As well, if someone sends you a file, it will be placed in > > > > > > > > c:\my documents\messenger service received files or c:\my documents\my > > > > > > > > received files. > > > > > > > > You can block or unblock a sender by focusing on the contact name and > > then > > > > > > > > pressing the application key and arrow down to block or unblock. If > you > > > > > > > > want to find out who a contact might be, hit alt enter on their name > and > > > use > > > > > > > > the JAWS cursor to read their email address. > > > > > > > > To change your status, tab to where it says my status and your name in > > the > > > > > > > > main messenger window and press the application key and enter on the > > > status > > > > > > > > you wish to be seen by others. > > > > > > > > If you use Jaws 4.50, it will already come with some excellent scripts > > > that > > > > > > > > will automatically read incoming messages to you, alert you when > > contacts > > > > > > > > come online and notify you of who is sending you a message. > > > > > > > > The messages will be placed on the task bar and you can alt tab to the > > > > > > > > conversation when you are notified that someone has > > > > > > > > sent you a message. > > > > > > > > Reading Messages > > > > > > > > When the conversation window is maximized, JAWS automatically reads > > > incoming > > > > messages. JAWS automatically maximizes the message window as soon as > it > > is > > > > > > > > opened. JAWS also provides commands that allow you to read previous > > > > messages. For more information about these commands, refer to > > > > > > > > JAWS Commands for MSN Instant Messenger. > > > > > > > > MSN Messenger Notifications > > > > > > > > MSN Messenger displays notification messages to indicate when a > contact > > > has > > > > signed on and to inform you when a new HotMail email message has been > > > > received. > > > > > > > > JAWS reads these notifications when they appear, even if you are > working > > > in > > > > another application. To hear the name of the contact who signed in > most > > > > recently, > > > > > > > > press ALT+SHIFT+F12. JAWS says, "X signed in at y," with y being the > > time > > > > the contact signed in. > > > > > > > > If you are working in another window, MSN plays a sound to alert you > > that > > > > someone is sending you an instant message. To switch to this "urgent > > > > conversation," > > > > > > > > press CTRL+SHIFT+DASH. JAWS reads the most recent message in the > > > > conversation window. > > > > > > > > Typing Notification > > > > > > > > When a conversation window is maximized, a clicking sound is heard > while > > > the > > > > contact is typing. To toggle this sound, press CTRL+SHIFT+F12. JAWS > can > > > also > > > > > > > > announce when the contact is typing a message. To toggle the status of > > > this > > > > announcement, press ALT+CTRL+F12. If typing sounder and announcement > are > > > > disabled, > > > > > > > > press F12 to check the typing status. If the contact is typing a > > message, > > > a > > > > single click sounds. > > > > > > > > Channels > > > > > > > > Channels allow you to move quickly to a conversation window from any > > other > > > > open window, including the windows for other applications. To assign a > > > > conversation > > > > > > > > to a channel, press CTRL+1 through 5. To move to a channel which has > > been > > > > assigned, press CTRL+SHIFT+1 through 5. > > > > > > > > Emoticons > > > > > > > > Emoticons are combinations of characters that resemble graphics when > > > > rotated. JAWS provides a list of common emoticons for use with MSN > > > > messenger. JAWS > > > > > > > > also uses this list to interpret emoticons in the message window and > > reads > > > > them as part of the incoming message. > > > > > > > > To open the list of emoticons, press CTRL+SHIFT+M. To move through the > > > list, > > > > press UP or DOWN ARROW. To insert the selected emoticon into your > > > > conversation, > > > > > > > > press ENTER. > > > > > > > > VOICE CONVERSATIONS > > > > > > > > To start a voice conversation, from within the main message window, > tab > > to > > > > the button labelled Start a Voice Conversation. > > > > > > > > Brian Hartgen > > > > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > > > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > > > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > ** and in the Subject line type > > > > ** unsubscribe > > > > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > > > > ** immediately-following link:- > > > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > > > ** or send a message, to > > > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > ** and in the Subject line type > > > ** unsubscribe > > > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > > > ** immediately-following link:- > > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > > ** or send a message, to > > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ** and in the Subject line type > > ** unsubscribe > > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > > ** immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > ** or send a message, to > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq