Hi Brian,
Do you know of a quick way to get back to the history window, when you
are
in the input window? In older versions, it used to be one shift-tab, but
not any more.
Thanksl.
All the best
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
Of Brian Hartgen
Sent: 22 May 2005 11:18
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings.
Hi
No I don't think so. I presume you have the various sound check boxes
enabled so you can hear as and when contacts sign in and send you a
message.
That's about everything.
Brian Hartgen
E-Mail: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx
MSN: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx
Skype: brianhartgen
----- Original Message -----
From: "jim.doc" <jim.doc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 10:24 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings.
Brian, your suggestion of hitting the alt key twice worked just fine so
I'm
not going to down grade to a lower version of MSN, if all it takes is to
hit
the alt key a couple of times. However, is there any settings in options
under tools that could be changed to assist MSN to run optimally with
jaws,
that you could suggest?
Thanks in advance.
Jim.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amro Bilal" <amro_bilal@xxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 11:51 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings.
> Jim, you might not have to put up with this version of MSN. Try
>
> http://www.oldversion.com/
>
> and see if you can get the older MSN version which was recommended
> from
> there. I find this site useful anyway!
>
> HTH,
>
> Amro
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jim.doc" <jim.doc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:19 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings.
>
>
> > Thanks Steve and Brian. I don't have another version of MSN
> > messenger,
so
> > I'll just have to put up with this one until either someone comes up
with
> > a
> > work around or scripts.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Jim.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 12:20 PM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings.
> >
> >
> >> Hi Jim,
> >>
> >> Those settings don't also work in MSN 7 beta either, so I reckon a
> >> rewrite
> >> will be needed. I can't do it yet, because I can't find out how to
get
> > rid
> >> of the toolbars in MSN 7 beta.
> >>
> >> All the best
> >> --
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> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf
> >> Of jim.doc
> >> Sent: 21 May 2005 10:56
> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Brian,
> >>
> >> Jaws 6.10 with MSN version 6.2..
> >> Jim.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:48 PM
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi
> >> > I've been away for a couple of days and have not quite got
> >> > around
to
> >> > reading all of this thread. Which version of jaws are you
> >> > running?
> >> > Brian Hartgen
> >> > E-Mail: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > MSN: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Skype: brianhartgen
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "jim.doc" <jim.doc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:09 PM
> >> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Hi James,
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks for the MSN instructions, however, in MSN 6.2 there's no
view
> >> menu,
> >> > > in the main window or the conversation window. I can't seem to
get
> >> > > rid
> >> of
> >> > > the tool bar. I've unchecked both standard and formatting, but
> >> > > it
> >> remains
> >> > > there. The problem is that when a conversation is started, it
won't
> > read
> >> > out
> >> > > what is being sent or received. if I go onto the tool bar with
the
> >> > > alt
> >> key
> >> > > and then escape and go back to the input field, it seems to
> >> > > work
ok.
> > So
> >> I
> >> > > don't know how to rectify this problem. I hope someone can
> >> > > help.
> >> > >
> >> > > regards.
> >> > > Jim.
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 12:39 PM
> >> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MSN messenger settings.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi Jim
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I am reposting below a message sent to the list by Brian
Hartgen
a
> >> while
> >> > > > ago.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > James
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi Carol
> >> > > > Once you get as far as getting your passport, you may find
> >> > > > the
> >> following
> >> > > > notes regarding using Messenger helpful which I think I
> >> > > > adapted
a
> >> while
> >> > > ago
> >> > > > from the JFW Lite web page.
> >> > > > MSN MESSENGER OR WINDOWS MESSENGER
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Although the following refers to MSN Messenger, it is
> >> > > >
> >> > > > applicable to Windows Messenger in XP.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The first thing you need to do in order to use Messenger is
> >> > > > to
get
> >> > > > a
> >> > > >
> >> > > > passport. Hotmail addresses already work as a passport by
default.
> > If
> >> > you
> >> > > >
> >> > > > want to use your own email address, go to
> >> > > > http://register.passport.net
> >> > > > to
> >> > > >
> >> > > > get a passport. You will need to verify your email address.
To
> >> verify
> >> > > your
> >> > > >
> >> > > > email address, an email will arrive with a link in
> >> > > >
> >> > > > it that you enter on and then you have to enter some
information
> >> > > > and
> >> > > follow
> >> > > >
> >> > > > the steps.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Next install Messenger. You can download it by going to
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://messenger.msn.com/
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If you are using Windows XP, it already comes installed with
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Windows Messenger, so you don't need to install it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > When it is finished installing, press insert f11, and you
should
> > find
> >> > MSN
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Messenger not signed in listed in your system tray list.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hit enter on MSN Messenger and arrow down on the context menu
to
> > sign
> >> in
> >> > > and
> >> > > >
> >> > > > enter.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Once you have signed in, you need to set up Messenger for
> >> > > > best
> >> > performance
> >> > > >
> >> > > > with Jaws.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > First, you need to change the way that MSN Messenger sorts
> >> > > > contacts,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > and then you need to make some changes to the appearance of
> >> > > > the
> >> > > >
> >> > > > conversation window. To change how MSN sorts contacts:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 1. When in the main MSN window, hit alt t for tools, and
> >> > > > then
c.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This will open the sort contacts by sub menu.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2. Arrow down to online/offline and press enter.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The first time you have a conversation with someone, to
> >> > > > remove
the
> >> tool
> >> > > bar
> >> > > >
> >> > > > and side bar from the conversation windows,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > and disable emoticons:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 1. Open any conversation window.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2. Press alt v, and arrow down until it says enable
> >> > > > emoticons.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If it says checked, press enter to uncheck it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 3. Re-enter the view menu, and arrow down until you see show
> > toolbar.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Press enter if it is checked.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 4. Re-enter the view menu and arrow down until it says show
> > sidebar.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Press enter if it is checked.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > You should only have to do this once, but there is a slight
> >> possibility
> >> > > >
> >> > > > that you will have to do it twice. After that, the settings
should
> >> > > >
> >> > > > remain as you set them.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Next here is a quick overview of the changes you might need
> >> > > > to
make
> > in
> >> > the
> >> > > >
> >> > > > options. Press alt T for tools, O for options.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On the personal page, you can type in a screen name as you
> >> > > > want
> > other
> >> > > users
> >> > > >
> >> > > > to see it. Also tab to show graphical emoticons and uncheck
it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Control tab to the preferences page and if you don't want MSN
to
> > start
> >> > > >
> >> > > > automatically with Windows, uncheck the box for run this
program
> > when
> >> > > >
> >> > > > windows starts. (Note, also if you use OE, go to your tools
menu
> >> > > > in
> >> OE
> >> > > and
> >> > > > then options
> >> > > >
> >> > > > and tab to automatically log onto Windows messenger and
> >> > > > uncheck
> >> > > > it.)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On the preferences page leave the alert checkboxes checked as
they
> > are
> >> > for
> >> > > > sound
> >> > > >
> >> > > > notifications.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Enter on okay to close the dialog.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Now that you have MSN set up, to add a contact, press alt T
> >> > > > for
> > tools,
> >> > and
> >> > > >
> >> > > > enter on add a contact.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Leave the radio button selected for by email address and
> >> > > > enter
on
> > next
> >> > and
> >> > > >
> >> > > > enter the person's MSN contact address.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > To send a message to a contact, you can hit enter on the
contacts
> > name
> >> > in
> >> > > >
> >> > > > the main messenger window.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > You can save your conversation by going to the files menu
> >> > > > with
alt
> > f,
> >> > then
> >> > > >
> >> > > > press A, then a standard save dialog appears. The
conversations
> >> > > >
> >> > > > will be saved as a text file. To leave a conversation hit
escape.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > To start a voice chat with a contact, press the windows
application
> >> key
> >> > > >
> >> > > > while focused on the contact name and choose start a voice
> >> conversation
> >> > > from
> >> > > >
> >> > > > the context menu.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I recommend you go to the tools menu and run the audio tuning
> >> > > > wizard
> >> > first
> >> > > >
> >> > > > before you try to voice chat with someone.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > You can also start a voice chat from a conversation window by
> > pressing
> >> > alt
> >> > > A
> >> > > >
> >> > > > for the actions menu and enter on start talking. Once they
accept
> >> your
> >> > > >
> >> > > > invitation to voice chat you can just start speaking into
> >> > > > your
> >> > microphone.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > To send a file, press the windows application key while
> >> > > > focused
on
> > the
> >> > > >
> >> > > > contact name and enter on send a file from the context menu.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > You can also send a file from a conversation window by
> >> > > > pressing
alt
> > A
> >> > for
> >> > > >
> >> > > > the actions menu and enter on send a file.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > A standard open dialog will come up for you to locate your
file.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > As well, if someone sends you a file, it will be placed in
> >> > > >
> >> > > > c:\my documents\messenger service received files or c:\my
> > documents\my
> >> > > >
> >> > > > received files.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > You can block or unblock a sender by focusing on the contact
name
> > and
> >> > then
> >> > > >
> >> > > > pressing the application key and arrow down to block or
unblock.
> >> > > > If
> >> you
> >> > > >
> >> > > > want to find out who a contact might be, hit alt enter on
> >> > > > their
> >> > > > name
> >> and
> >> > > use
> >> > > >
> >> > > > the JAWS cursor to read their email address.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > To change your status, tab to where it says my status and
> >> > > > your
name
> > in
> >> > the
> >> > > >
> >> > > > main messenger window and press the application key and enter
on
> >> > > > the
> >> > > status
> >> > > >
> >> > > > you wish to be seen by others.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If you use Jaws 4.50, it will already come with some
> >> > > > excellent
> > scripts
> >> > > that
> >> > > >
> >> > > > will automatically read incoming messages to you, alert you
when
> >> > contacts
> >> > > >
> >> > > > come online and notify you of who is sending you a message.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The messages will be placed on the task bar and you can alt
> >> > > > tab
to
> > the
> >> > > >
> >> > > > conversation when you are notified that someone has
> >> > > >
> >> > > > sent you a message.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Reading Messages
> >> > > >
> >> > > > When the conversation window is maximized, JAWS automatically
reads
> >> > > incoming
> >> > > > messages. JAWS automatically maximizes the message window as
soon
> >> > > > as
> >> it
> >> > is
> >> > > >
> >> > > > opened. JAWS also provides commands that allow you to read
previous
> >> > > > messages. For more information about these commands, refer to
> >> > > >
> >> > > > JAWS Commands for MSN Instant Messenger.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > MSN Messenger Notifications
> >> > > >
> >> > > > MSN Messenger displays notification messages to indicate when
> >> > > > a
> >> contact
> >> > > has
> >> > > > signed on and to inform you when a new HotMail email message
has
> > been
> >> > > > received.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > JAWS reads these notifications when they appear, even if you
are
> >> working
> >> > > in
> >> > > > another application. To hear the name of the contact who
> >> > > > signed
in
> >> most
> >> > > > recently,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > press ALT+SHIFT+F12. JAWS says, "X signed in at y," with y
being
> >> > > > the
> >> > time
> >> > > > the contact signed in.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If you are working in another window, MSN plays a sound to
alert
> >> > > > you
> >> > that
> >> > > > someone is sending you an instant message. To switch to this
> >> > > > "urgent
> >> > > > conversation,"
> >> > > >
> >> > > > press CTRL+SHIFT+DASH. JAWS reads the most recent message in
the
> >> > > > conversation window.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Typing Notification
> >> > > >
> >> > > > When a conversation window is maximized, a clicking sound is
heard
> >> while
> >> > > the
> >> > > > contact is typing. To toggle this sound, press
> >> > > > CTRL+SHIFT+F12.
JAWS
> >> can
> >> > > also
> >> > > >
> >> > > > announce when the contact is typing a message. To toggle the
status
> > of
> >> > > this
> >> > > > announcement, press ALT+CTRL+F12. If typing sounder and
> >> > > > announcement
> >> are
> >> > > > disabled,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > press F12 to check the typing status. If the contact is
> >> > > > typing
a
> >> > message,
> >> > > a
> >> > > > single click sounds.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Channels
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Channels allow you to move quickly to a conversation window
from
> >> > > > any
> >> > other
> >> > > > open window, including the windows for other applications. To
> >> > > > assign
> > a
> >> > > > conversation
> >> > > >
> >> > > > to a channel, press CTRL+1 through 5. To move to a channel
which
> >> > > > has
> >> > been
> >> > > > assigned, press CTRL+SHIFT+1 through 5.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Emoticons
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Emoticons are combinations of characters that resemble
> >> > > > graphics
> >> > > > when
> >> > > > rotated. JAWS provides a list of common emoticons for use
> >> > > > with
MSN
> >> > > > messenger. JAWS
> >> > > >
> >> > > > also uses this list to interpret emoticons in the message
window
> >> > > > and
> >> > reads
> >> > > > them as part of the incoming message.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > To open the list of emoticons, press CTRL+SHIFT+M. To move
through
> > the
> >> > > list,
> >> > > > press UP or DOWN ARROW. To insert the selected emoticon into
your
> >> > > > conversation,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > press ENTER.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > VOICE CONVERSATIONS
> >> > > >
> >> > > > To start a voice conversation, from within the main message
window,
> >> tab
> >> > to
> >> > > > the button labelled Start a Voice Conversation.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Brian Hartgen
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