[Wittrs] Re: Cayuse- Consciousness bodied and disembodied

  • From: "Cayuse" <z.z7@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <wittrsamr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:57:51 -0000

BruceD wrote:
"Cayuse" wrote:
After you're gone those who knew you would not say
that "Bruce is loyal" but rather "Bruce was loyal".

would they be referring to the ashes in the urn?

No, they would be referring to Bruce as he was when he was alive.

In the same way the statement "Bruce is a person" would
only be valid while Bruce is alive

How about a fictional Bruce, neither dead nor alive. One I just made
up. Doesn't even exist in a text or film.

Yes, as long as the fictional Bruce is alive in the fiction.

I'm asking what the word "I" denotes in the claim "I am conscious",
but I'd also be interested to hear how the word "conscious"
is being used when that claim is made.

Refers to whoever is making the claim. I'd be waiting hear "conscious
of what" or, if he had been in a trance, I'd take it to mean he had
come out of it. Does this help?

What is it about the ordinary use of "I" to refer a person and/or
conscious agent troubles you?

I have no problem with the use of the word "I" to denote the physical
organism as it refers to itself, and with the word "conscious" to denote
responsivity to environmental stimuli, but I don't see any application to
the claim that the physical organism is "consciously experiencing" the data
supplied by its sense organs.

Cayuse wrote:
These are just parts of the data that constitute consciousness.

But no one in particular? Do you think of conscious as being made of
building blocks of words, feelings, just there in some container, but
with no ownership?

No container, no owner.

The way I treat the TV is quite different to the way I treat the dog,
which is quite different again to the way I treat another person.


Form and behavior.

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