--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Cayuse" <z.z7@...> wrote: > Would it be possible for you to be loyal without a body? After I'm gone, hopefully those who knew me still consider me loyal. In other words, what we have to say about a person's loyalty is irrelevant to his body. I'm inclined to say, not all concepts all relevant in all contexts. > It can be useful to say"I was thinking" if the word "thinking" is taken to denote some aspect of > information processing going on in a physical organism, Again, the concept of thinking may or may not be linked to a location. Question: Where were you thinking? Ans: In the shower. OK. But, for the most part, location isn't a relevant consideration to evaluating and understanding the thought. In the brain? Yes, perhaps, if that is the object of study, viz., the brain activity associated with thinking., > But I still have no idea what it means to say "I experience my consciousness". Perhaps you have seen no use for this concept. People who are obsessed with unwelcome thoughts do. > If so then what is it that is conscious I am conscious. I am conscious of myself being conscious of myself, or self-conscious, if you will. An infinite regress would be neat but I can't see to make it happen. > Is conscious experience anything more than the sum total of the > data that constitute it? Yes, The mode I'm in, the felt-sense, the feeling state, the hurried or slow down thoughts....Hence I find it useful to distinguish between the person and what is going on with him. I guess we could treat everyone the way we treat the computer or the TV. We don't ask of these physical objects whether they have a point of view apart from the context they are processing and transmitting. bruce