Josh: I'm not really into the name dropping or the comedy or trying to be clever with digs and so forth. I'm not interested in discussing with you if it can't be done. The 55 mph example isn't responsive to my question. The issue I was presenting was this: one cannot espouse a scientific account of the form of life that also purports to validate an irrelevant conversation about it. So the question is whether idealism, nominalism, realism, etc., are "cereal-box philosophies," as I have alleged. To illustrate the point rather than declare it, I proposed that you answer the question of what is the difference between an idealist, realist, nominalist, etc., encountering a tree. What I wanted to do was to have a discussion with you that I had had with Walter Horn on Analytic. What I had wanted you to do was take up some sort of defense as to "who was right" about the tree. I thought this method could benefit you. I had notice that you talk at a level which likes to play with theory-words and recite what you claim to have read. What I wanted to do was bring the discussion down to the level of examples. My thesis is that much of what people call "philosophy's problems" disappear when people think at this level. This is because the thinking generally about belief systems in philosophy encourages lines of thought that cannot be conversationally maintained once you start talking "on the ground." I had originally tried to get an example from you about "computational nominalism," but instead received your scientific theory. I had then tried to get you to see that any scientific theory that would be accurate could not also show that "nominalism wins," because there is nothing to win in this language game. All that it is about is which aesthetic is preferred to celebrate experience within the form of life. It's about window dressing. Instead of hearing your denials of this, I had actually wanted you to discuss the example I raised. So if you ever do want to engage in a discussion about "who wins" when a tree is seen by an idealist and realist and so forth, I am always here for such therapy. As to the matters that you do talk about when you respond to me, I'm not up for them. Regards and thanks Dr. Sean Wilson, Esq. Assistant Professor Wright State University Redesigned Website: http://seanwilson.org SSRN papers: http://ssrn.com/author=596860 Twitter: http://twitter.com/seanwilsonorg Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/seanwilsonorg New Discussion Group: http://seanwilson.org/wittgenstein.discussion.html