Woo hoo! Good job on teaching your old dog new tricks and improving her inner life, as well. Tami Smith-Kinney -----Original Message----- From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The = Pawpower Pack Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 5:05 PM To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: (VICT) training success I've written here many, many moons ago about my now retired ten-year-old = dog Bristol. Bristol was program trained with corrections. I have been = trying to teach her to retrieve for years. Her puppy raisers must have put the fear of god into her because she exhibits several signs of stress even = when I use positive methods. She will never voluntarily take something from = my hand, and I have tried everything in the book. The up side to this, I guess, has been that she has never put her mouth on anything that wasn't strictly hers but honestly, I'd rather have a dog who maybe puts her = mouth on things that I'd rather not or even put teeth marks in things and be = able to teach her using positive methods than a dog who is so afraid that she won't touch anything. I really feel bad for Bristol'; look up learned helplessness in the dictionary and you'll see her smiling face. Tonight I was doing work with Mill'E, my five-year-old golden and at the = end I was closing my bait bag and tossing it around the room because that is = one of her favorite games ever. I noticed Bristol becoming really = interested in this game I was playing with Mill'E. I put Mill'E on a down stay, and tossed the bait bag after closing it tightly. I didn't say a word, and Bristol hesitatingly walked over and stared at = the bag. She looked and looked and looked at me and looked at the bag. I didn't say a word just made happy faces, and what do you know, she = picked it up and brought it to me. I practically squeezed her to death. I tossed = it a couple more times and then called it good. I also was doing hand targeting with her and she is starting to follow my hand around. It = took forever for her to understand the click and to really dare to try and do behaviors that were different. I know this is a small thing but honestly I am proud of my old lady. We'll keep working at it. I am not training it as a service task but = I'm hopefully showing her that she doesn't need to be afraid of trying new things. Oh and I'm teaching Mill'E to wave; this is fun! I love operant conditioning! Rox and the Kitchen Bitches Bristol, Gracy, Mill'E "Everything on the earth has a purpose, every disease an herb to cure = it, and every person a mission. This is the Indian theory of existence." ---Mourning Dove [Christine Quintasket] (1888-1936) Salish=20 Pawpower@xxxxxxx windows messenger: Brisomania@xxxxxxxxxxx AIM: brissysgirl