Joe, Yodar, and Chuck, Thanks for the advise. It looks like I have wasted too much time already trying to find the a "perpetual motion" connection and now with my "new wisdom" I can stop looking and save even more time! I guess I should have known better. The ones I had tried did not do anything except sometimes mess thing up. But then again I did not know if any would work and the only way to know for sure is to try them all or to ask the people who really know computers. Thanks again for the advise that will save me countless time, computer glitches, and who knows what ever else!! BRIAN VIEW ARCHIVES @ //www.freelists.org UNSUBSCRIBE by sending email to triadtechtalk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe in the Subject field. To VIEW/CHANGE your subscription status go to //www.freelists.org/webpage/triadtechtalk Contact List Owner - dbcfour@xxxxxxx