Mark, Thanks for the clarification but which "ton" are they speaking about in Reach? Short ton, Long ton, metric tonne? How many pounds/kilos is it? Our units weigh 100 lbs. Keep us posted on this. Bob From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Vaughan Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:19 AM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: IPC Survey Reveals Electronics Industry Not Prepared for REACH Reach is one area where the really little firms won?t suffer, under one ton imported per annum and registration isn?t required. At least that?s what the UK Gov?t?s telling us. However even if managers are a little aware the information as to what companies have to do; is very vague and advice is very mixed. As part of a group of manufacturers in the southwest of England, we?ve asked for further advice from Gov?t, they don?t know either. The EU?s aim is to try to get a better idea of what chemicals are being used, in what products, perhaps a reasonable aim, initially just a database but later to be used so any risks can be identified and investigated. This database is going to take a long time to procure and build if data isn?t available, and in our trade very few suppliers have a clue whats in the components they supply. There are various risks:- 1 The EU will at a later stage see a chemical name and decide to ban it?s use no matter how critical it is, we are already suffering from these sort of knee jerk reactions with Pb. In essence you cannot trust the logic of what appear to be a bunch of illogical greeny politicians. 2 If it takes a long time to collect accurate data we may have some protection gap before knee jerk reactions, a hundred years seem good right now. 3 If they legislate to force data to be provided by a data, it will be inaccurate. With COSHH and HSE we see many products have been labelled as risky just in case they are so the manufacturer is safe, you now don?t know what is 100% carcinogen or 1 part per billion. We are liable to see chemicals listed in products that just aren?t there, or with very suspect quantities. For electronics companies, and other non chemical manufacturers as industries we have very few chemists, this again will either lead to wrong data, or expensive consultants probably still applying wrong data but getting paid more. The UK Gov?t sent around free consultants to firms for RoHs and WEE, much of their advice was wrong, and they are absolved of liability if they are wrong, you still carry the can, not much use at the end of the day. If the EU?s aim for REACH is to work, the data needs to be accurate. If they push this hard the data will be useless. I would hope under very basic logic they cannot deny this fact. We could use this in various ways to our advantage. Regs Mark Dr. Mark Vaughan Ph'D., B.Eng. M0VAU Managing Director Vaughan Industries Ltd., reg in UK no 2561068 Water Care Technology Ltd, reg in UK no 4129351 Addr Unit3, Sydney House, Blackwater, Truro, Cornwall, TR4 8HH UK. Phone/Fax 44 (0) 1872 561288 RSGB DRM111 (Cornwall) From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Landman Sent: 02 August 2008 19:32 To: tin whiskers forum Subject: [tinwhiskers] IPC Survey Reveals Electronics Industry Not Prepared for REACH http://www.circuitnet.com/articles/article_51276.shtml July 29, 2008 IPC Survey Reveals Electronics Industry Not Prepared for REACH A full report on the results of IPC?s REACH preparedness survey is available on IPC?s website BANNOCKBURN, Ill., USA ? Like a bolt of lightning, the results of IPC?s recent survey on REACH Preparedness in the North American and European Interconnect Industry are striking ? revealing that more than 40 percent of manufacturing and purchasing personnel have no understanding of the REACH regulation as it affects their companies. The same holds true for nearly one-third of senior management and 29 percent of engineering personnel. Even 28 percent of environment, health and safety personnel have no understanding of REACH?s impact. The new European Union (EU) legislation concerning the Registration, Evaluation, Authorization and Restriction of Chemicals (REACH) took effect on June 1, 2007. The REACH regulation gives greater responsibility to industry to manage the risks from chemicals and to provide safety information on the substances. In contrast to RoHS, which covers a narrow scope of substances in electronic products encompassing about 100 different chemicals, REACH covers substances in nearly all applications, totaling about 30,000 unique chemicals. While RoHS can address entire classes of substances at a time, REACH addresses them each individually. Where RoHS requires supplier-to-customer communications, the REACH regulation makes bidirectional communication throughout the supply chain imperative. ?REACH will have a far-reaching effect on any company that buys sells or uses chemicals,? said Tony Hilvers, vice president of industry programs for IPC. ?Inevitably, all companies that use chemicals or make products that contain chemicals will be affected ?and that pretty much sums up the entire electronics supply chain. The survey clearly indicates that our industry is woefully unprepared for the hit it?s about to take.? The electronic survey, sent to executives throughout the electronic interconnect supply chain in North America and Europe, reveals that even with a deadline for pre-registration of substances quickly approaching, only 18.3 percent of companies have identified and/or inventoried all substances in their products. In addition only 60.5 percent of chemical supplier respondents are planning to register or pre-register substances at all. Stepping up efforts to help electronics companies prepare for REACH, IPC has scheduled a number of programs in the coming months, including a REACH Critical Update Webcast on pre-registration issues for PCB and EMS suppliers, September 18, 2008, 1:30 pm?3:30 pm, Central time. A number of sessions and meetings on REACH and other environmental issues will also take place at IPC Midwest Conference & Exhibition, September 21?25, 2008, at the Renaissance Schaumburg Hotel & Convention Center, Schaumburg, Ill. In addition, IPC has launched a REACH Supply Chain Task Force to help companies establish a path forward in addressing the impacts of REACH. Representatives from the OEM, EMS, PCB and supplier industries make up the task force. In a recent presentation to the task force, Design Chain Associates? President Michael Kirschner reiterated a warning from a large computer manufacturer that electronics executives should, ?As completely as possible, know what chemical substances your product is made of and with ? You eventually will be held responsible for every molecule of your product.? A full report on the results of IPC?s REACH preparedness survey is available on IPC?s website at www.ipc.org/REACHsurveyreport. For more information about the study, contact Sharon Starr, IPC director of market research at +1 847-597-2817 or sharonstarr@xxxxxxxx More information about the REACH Regulation can be found on IPC?s Environmental, Health and Safety webpage at www.ipc.org/EHS. For more information on the upcoming REACH webcast, contact Susan Filz, IPC director of industry programs at +1 847-597-2884 or susanfilz@xxxxxxxx For more information on the environmental programs at IPC Midwest, contact Fern Abrams, IPC director of government relations and environmental policy at +1 703-522-0225 or fernabrams@xxxxxxx or visit http://www.ipcmidwestshow.org/. Contact: IPC Anna Garrido http://www.ipc.org/