I agree with Brian and Kathy that the focus for guild events should be onSandy
the art juried. There are plenty of other venues available to us to make
money on items that we make that were not juried.
On 10/12/2021 7:02 AM Doug Bingaman <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree 100% to what Brian just wrote. This is it, exactly. Kathy B.
On October 11, 2021, at 6:13 PM, Kay Pabin <kaypabin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Totally agree. I’m just a friend of the Guild, but definitely have been
put off and very disenchanted because I think it has become very uppity and
understand but when I first got involved I thought there might be a place,
for my photography, which many think is good and I was hoping for a mentor to
help me. I also have bought many pieces of art from many of the artists but
as of right now I haven’t been as anxious to support the Guild right now.
Hope you members can figure things out among yourselves and not appear that
you are only worried about making money, not just fostering the idea of
bringing the idea of the importance of art in our lives to save lives and how
actually good it can be to prevent suicides and help people gain self
respect. I’ll get off my soapbox now. Need to make myself some dinner.
It’s been a very emotional and stressful day for me , so much has happened to
me in the last 2 weeks and I definitely don’t have anyone that really wants
to take the time to listen. But I am still taking pictures. Love the clouds
!! Kay Pabin, Three Rivers Resident and I like it here and I’m not leaving
unless something very serious happens to me.
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> > On Oct 11, 2021, at 5:44 PM, E Mazurski <eileenmazurski@xxxxxxxxx
mailto:eileenmazurski@xxxxxxxxx ;> wrote:
> > Let's go with trust. Keep it simple.
>
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 4:50 PM Christine
<christinehartzellisme@xxxxxxxxx mailto:christinehartzellisme@xxxxxxxxx ;>
wrote:
> > > Please, if you are a newer member, don’t be
put off by this discussion. Previously the Board would take up these
annoying discussions and figure out an answer before presenting it to
everyone else, but now this random discussion is going to everyone whether
or not you are interested in the topic or find it unpleasant. Please offer
your suggestions and ideas, it will be over with "soon".
>
One source of the problem is the difference between art fair
“standards”-jurying and Guild membership jurying. Art fair
standards-jurying does include jurying everything you plan on selling, in
order for the fair to meet the expectations of the customers the fair
owners hope to attract. (Brian’s comments show that it doesn’t always
work, though.) Jurying-in of members to the Guild has not been that; it
has been an attempt to find compatible creatives, with “standards” that
are not about finding consistent product to be sold, but rather thatsthe
artist’s pieces brought to the jurying show good design and have taken
time, thought, knowledge and skill to complete (this is in the Guild’s
‘Policies and Procedures’, https://3rivart.org/policies-and-procedures/).
Part of the idea of membership jurying vs art & craft fair
standard-jurying is that, once juried in, we have agreed that the new
member is someone we want to grow creatively along with.
Again, apologies to members who didn’t want to deal with
this, please hang around, it will get resolved.
Karen suggests, "To maintain our fine art standards, point
of sale items need to be less than 10% work shown at Guild sponsored
activities." Good!! and we need to fill it out with more information
before making a rule:
1. Start suggesting what is and isn’t included as ”point of
sale items" so we can make a list or create a description. (Many members
are exploring creative directions that don't always include the things
that they were juried into the Guild with. I'd prefer to just trust
juried-in members, but if we are going to be legalistic, we have to be
clear!)
2. 10% of what? (I’m guessing the individual’s booth space,
but if it is something else, please suggest what it might be.)
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:34 PM Judith Brook
<moondancefiberart@xxxxxxxxxxx mailto:moondancefiberart@xxxxxxxxxxx ;>
wrote:Now that is a great solution. Less than 10% of what is shown at any
one venue. sounds like a winner. Are we agreed? Can we move on now?
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On 10/11/2021 11:22 AM Karen <karenhay54@xxxxxxxxx
mailto:karenhay54@xxxxxxxxx ;> wrote:
How about this resolution?
The small, cheap items, not the finest art work in retail
biz is called point of sale.
I glued feathers to Christmas ornaments, called them
quidditch balls and sold them during a Holiday Gallery one year. Eileen
paints rocks and glues googlely eyes to them and the kids love them.
Sherrie Presta made delicious fudge and sold it with her jewelry.
To maintain our fine art standards, point of sale items
need to be less than 10% work shown at Guild sponsored activities.
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On Oct 11, 2021, at 9:44 AM, beadmistrs
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ;> wrote:
While this is a lovely discussion, it’s gotten way off
the point that as written the beading guidelines for the guild excludes
me from membership.
Connie
“Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to
death.”
Roselynn Russell in Auntie Mame
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On Monday, October 11, 2021, 7:23 AM, brianbrook
<brianbrook@xxxxxxxxxxx mailto:brianbrook@xxxxxxxxxxx ;> wrote:
What you jury in with should be reflective of the
work you display and sell at guild events. For example, let's say I
present 5 or 6 (or however many pieces) for jurying that are metal yard
art pieces. It's not OK to display those pieces and then fill my booth
with purchased metal trinkets with pins or clasps glued to the back (or
other similar items). If I want to sell such items, there are plenty of
craft shows that may allow me in.
Over the past 20 years of doing juried fine art
fairs. I've seen more than a few shows degrade into country crafts and
dip mix sellers with a few fine artists thrown in. When that new , lower
level of expection is reached it's nearly impossible to return to a
previous level. Those shows permanently became mid level craft shows.
So I think it's important to strictly maintain an
expectation of a high level of quality. And, no, not everything I
display needs to be "spectacular", but rather needs to reflect my skills,
abilities, and artistic creativity while meeting the written Guild
standards.
Can I still be called an artist if I buy pre-made
metal trinkets, glue a pin to the back and sell them? Sure.
But I would simply need to find a different venue
than the Three Rivers Artists Guild.
Brian
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