I agree 100% to what Brian just wrote. This is it, exactly. Kathy B.
On October 11, 2021, at 6:13 PM, Kay Pabin <kaypabin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Totally agree. I’m just a friend of the Guild, but definitely have been put
off and very disenchanted because I think it has become very uppity and
understand but when I first got involved I thought there might be a place, for
my photography, which many think is good and I was hoping for a mentor to help
me. I also have bought many pieces of art from many of the artists but as of
right now I haven’t been as anxious to support the Guild right now. Hope you
members can figure things out among yourselves and not appear that you are only
worried about making money, not just fostering the idea of bringing the idea of
the importance of art in our lives to save lives and how actually good it can
be to prevent suicides and help people gain self respect. I’ll get off my
soapbox now. Need to make myself some dinner. It’s been a very emotional and
stressful day for me , so much has happened to me in the last 2 weeks and I
definitely don’t have anyone that really wants to take the time to listen. But
I am still taking pictures. Love the clouds !! Kay Pabin, Three Rivers
Resident and I like it here and I’m not leaving unless something very serious
happens to me.
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On Oct 11, 2021, at 5:44 PM, E Mazurski <eileenmazurski@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Let's go with trust. Keep it simple.
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 4:50 PM Christine <christinehartzellisme@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Please, if you are a newer member, don’t be put off by this discussion.
Previously the Board would take up these annoying discussions and figure out an
answer before presenting it to everyone else, but now this random discussion is
going to everyone whether or not you are interested in the topic or find it
unpleasant. Please offer your suggestions and ideas, it will be over with
"soon".
One source of the problem is the difference between art fair
“standards”-jurying and Guild membership jurying. Art fair standards-jurying
does include jurying everything you plan on selling, in order for the fair to
meet the expectations of the customers the fair owners hope to attract.
(Brian’s comments show that it doesn’t always work, though.) Jurying-in of
members to the Guild has not been that; it has been an attempt to find
compatible creatives, with “standards” that are not about finding consistent
product to be sold, but rather thatsthe artist’s pieces brought to the jurying
show good design and have taken time, thought, knowledge and skill to complete
(this is in the Guild’s ‘Policies and Procedures’,
https://3rivart.org/policies-and-procedures/). Part of the idea of membership
jurying vs art & craft fair standard-jurying is that, once juried in, we have
agreed that the new member is someone we want to grow creatively along with.
Again, apologies to members who didn’t want to deal with this, please hang
around, it will get resolved.
Karen suggests, "To maintain our fine art standards, point of sale items need
to be less than 10% work shown at Guild sponsored activities." Good!! and we
need to fill it out with more information before making a rule:
1. Start suggesting what is and isn’t included as ”point of sale items" so we
can make a list or create a description. (Many members are exploring creative
directions that don't always include the things that they were juried into the
Guild with. I'd prefer to just trust juried-in members, but if we are going to
be legalistic, we have to be clear!)
2. 10% of what? (I’m guessing the individual’s booth space, but if it is
something else, please suggest what it might be.)
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:34 PM Judith Brook <moondancefiberart@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:Now that is a great solution. Less than 10% of what is shown at any one
venue. sounds like a winner. Are we agreed? Can we move on now?
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On 10/11/2021 11:22 AM Karen <karenhay54@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
How about this resolution?
The small, cheap items, not the finest art work in retail biz is called point
of sale.
I glued feathers to Christmas ornaments, called them quidditch balls and
sold them during a Holiday Gallery one year. Eileen paints rocks and glues
googlely eyes to them and the kids love them. Sherrie Presta made delicious
fudge and sold it with her jewelry.
To maintain our fine art standards, point of sale items need to be less
than 10% work shown at Guild sponsored activities.
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On Oct 11, 2021, at 9:44 AM, beadmistrs <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
While this is a lovely discussion, it’s gotten way off the point that as
written the beading guidelines for the guild excludes me from membership.
Connie
“Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to death.”
Roselynn Russell in Auntie Mame
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On Monday, October 11, 2021, 7:23 AM, brianbrook <brianbrook@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
What you jury in with should be reflective of the work you display and
sell at guild events. For example, let's say I present 5 or 6 (or however
many pieces) for jurying that are metal yard art pieces. It's not OK to
display those pieces and then fill my booth with purchased metal trinkets with
pins or clasps glued to the back (or other similar items). If I want to sell
such items, there are plenty of craft shows that may allow me in.
Over the past 20 years of doing juried fine art fairs. I've seen more
than a few shows degrade into country crafts and dip mix sellers with a few
fine artists thrown in. When that new , lower level of expection is reached
it's nearly impossible to return to a previous level. Those shows permanently
became mid level craft shows.
So I think it's important to strictly maintain an expectation of a
high level of quality. And, no, not everything I display needs to be
"spectacular", but rather needs to reflect my skills, abilities, and artistic
creativity while meeting the written Guild standards.
Can I still be called an artist if I buy pre-made metal trinkets, glue
a pin to the back and sell them? Sure.
But I would simply need to find a different venue than the Three Rivers
Artists Guild.
Brian
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