Now that is a great solution. Less than 10% of what is shown at any one venue.
sounds like a winner. Are we agreed? Can we move on now?
On 10/11/2021 11:22 AM Karen <karenhay54@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
How about this resolution?
The small, cheap items, not the finest art work in retail biz is called
point of sale.
I glued feathers to Christmas ornaments, called them quidditch balls and
sold them during a Holiday Gallery one year. Eileen paints rocks and glues
googlely eyes to them and the kids love them. Sherrie Presta made delicious
fudge and sold it with her jewelry.
To maintain our fine art standards, point of sale items need to be less
than 10% work shown at Guild sponsored activities.
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> > On Oct 11, 2021, at 9:44 AM, beadmistrs
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > While this is a lovely discussion, it’s gotten way off
>
the point that as written the beading guidelines for the guild excludes me
from membership.
Connie
“Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to death.”
Roselynn Russell in Auntie Mame
On Monday, October 11, 2021, 7:23 AM, brianbrook
<brianbrook@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > What you jury in with should be reflective of
the work you display and sell at guild events. For example, let's say I
present 5 or 6 (or however many pieces) for jurying that are metal yard art
pieces. It's not OK to display those pieces and then fill my booth with
purchased metal trinkets with pins or clasps glued to the back (or other
similar items). If I want to sell such items, there are plenty of craft
shows that may allow me in.
>
Over the past 20 years of doing juried fine art fairs. I've
seen more than a few shows degrade into country crafts and dip mix
sellers with a few fine artists thrown in. When that new , lower level
of expection is reached it's nearly impossible to return to a previous
level. Those shows permanently became mid level craft shows.
So I think it's important to strictly maintain an expectation
of a high level of quality. And, no, not everything I display needs to
be "spectacular", but rather needs to reflect my skills, abilities, and
artistic creativity while meeting the written Guild standards.
Can I still be called an artist if I buy pre-made metal
trinkets, glue a pin to the back and sell them? Sure.
But I would simply need to find a different venue than the
Three Rivers Artists Guild.
Brian
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Date: 10/10/21 11:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: [Guild] Re: jurying rules refresher...
I'm okay with that as long as Guild events are clearly
defined as such. As a newbie I'm not sure what is and what isn't. The
Pop-Up Gallery and Holiday Gallery are obvious but what if I hear about
an event through the Guild but it isn't put on or sponsored by the Guild?
Some clarification will be needed. Really good discussion thread!
Matteo
On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, at 5:44 PM, Judith Brook wrote:
> > > > I agree wholeheartedly. Have seen
some items that are definitely not up to fine art standards, or for that
matter, fine craft. We need to remove anything that is sub-standard.
Bread and butter should be relegated to other types of venues, not our
Guild events.
> > > > > On 10/10/2021 9:13 AM
Doug Bingaman <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
I believe these "bread and butter" pieces may be
the issue we are talking about. We all know what we juried in with,
it's these "extras" sliding in under the radar that are reducing our
art gallery feel to a craft show. Again, I feel we must always
display quality in our art, not reduce it to make money. Save that
for other events that have lower requirements. Kathy B.
On October 10, 2021, at 8:40 AM,
"beadmistrs@xxxxxxx" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Store bought findings are fine to use. It's the
straight up stringing of store bought stuff that looks like it's from
target we dont want.
As for only selling what we were juried in with,
that will eliminate most people's bread and butter pieces, which tend
to be less spectacular.
Connie
"Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are
starving to death."
Auntie Mame
> > > > > > On Sun,
Oct 10, 2021 at 8:30 AM, Doug Bingaman
< dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >
mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ;> wrote:
So...no store bought findings? I am fine
with this, but we need to know where to draw the line. I have made
beads and added a purchased clip to make zipper pulls. These were
the biggest sellers for me. I also use purchased headpins, but can
learn to make my own if the rules say so. I am more concerned with
the "craft" direction that some artwork is headed. I was under the
impression that your art must be what you juried in showing, not
just able to create anything you want once accepted into the guild.
I would like opinions on this, as I have been experimenting on
ideas on creative ideas that are polymer art, but not exclusively
jewelry. Kathy B.
On October 9, 2021, at 5:13 PM, Judith
Brook <moondancefiberart@xxxxxxxxxxx
mailto:moondancefiberart@xxxxxxxxxxx ;> wrote:
Sounds good to me. That applies to all
pieces by any juried in artist.
> > > > > > >
On 10/07/2021 9:08 PM beadmistrs <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ;>
wrote:
> > > > >
How’s this sound?
Guidelines for beadwork by bead
makers, weavers, and stitchers.
Beaded pieces must show skill with
both design, and techniques.*
*i.e. no loose threads,
ends and edges well finished, bead holes nicely rounded.
Strung items made with store
bought beads and findings are not acceptable.
Connie
“Life is a banquet, and most poor
suckers are starving to death.”
Roselynn Russell in Auntie Mame
On Wednesday, October 6, 2021,
6:11 AM, Doug Bingaman <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ;> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
Hi all. I agree with what> > > > > >
Christine wrote. Seed beading is an art, even though each one
is manufactured, similar to mosaics. I'm not sure this was the
main issue. The quality of each piece made should be at the
same level as the ones used to jury in. Smaller, less expensive
art should meet the same standards as more pricey art. For
example, a smaller painting must be just as well done as a
large one. When judging in a new member, I feel we should
emphasize this fact. I understand that we would like to make
some money during our sales events, but not by lowering our
standards. Any quality below what was juried in should not be
allowed. No matter the price or size, each piece should be a
handmade treasure. Thanks, Kathy B.
On October 5, 2021, at 9:02
AM, William Welty < weltyart@xxxxxxxxx
mailto:weltyart@xxxxxxxxx ;> wrote:
Well said Christine. Bill
On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 3:19
PM Christine < christinehartzellisme@xxxxxxxxx
mailto:christinehartzellisme@xxxxxxxxx ;> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
There were jewelry people on
the jury, and the pieces Connie brought showed the complex and
interesting pieces she did with the beads--the beads were not
the main point, they were just the media used in the pieces.
This is very different from people who just string manufactured
beads into a necklace and leave it at that! The beads in her
pieces play a "subordinate role in the finished piece".
> > > > > > > > >
On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at
8:29 PM beadmistrs@xxxxxxx mailto:beadmistrs@xxxxxxx ;<
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ;> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
Judith,> > > > > > > >
It was the
wording that kept me from applying for so long.
Connie
"Life is a
banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to death."
Auntie Mame
> > > > > >
Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 8:16 PM, Judith BrookOn
<> > > > > > > > >
moondancefiberart@xxxxxxxxxxx
mailto:moondancefiberart@xxxxxxxxxxx ;> wrote:
I would
like to contradict my husband’s appraisal. Yes, as
written your work is disqualified. However, the artistic
value and design of your work far exceeds “bead
stringers” who buy and then string beads. You embroider
with manufactured beads. Big difference. Ruth uses some
manufactured beads but she adds her own findings. Not to
worry.
> >
On 10/01/2021 6:58 PM brianbrook <
brianbrook@xxxxxxxxxxx mailto:brianbrook@xxxxxxxxxxx ;>
wrote:
Connie,
I
don't know what you presented when you juried in. I
suspect you presented some of your other work that was
not beads (of which you have quite a bit),
The list of what is not acceptable is very typical for
most fine art fairs I've been in. I don't know about
artist guilds or groups, but I believe we're very
consistent in our jurying expectations. We expect our
artists to carry the jury expectations through to the
art they display.
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Date: 10/1/21 1:06 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: threeriversart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
mailto:threeriversart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx , Lisa DeVine ;<
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ;>
Subject: [Guild] Re: jurying rules refresher...
I
think the bit about beaded stuff needs to change due to
the fact that as written I do not qualify as a member,
and yet here I am.
Connie k
"Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving
to death."
Auntie Mame
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at
10:49 PM, Lisa DeVine
> > >
< dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ;> wrote:
To save all potential guild jurors time...
I've copied jurying info from our website.
Unacceptable for jurying
BY ARTNEWS ON JANUARY 20, 2011
Work based primarily on manufactured items is
not acceptable for jurying. This includes, but isn’t
limited to, such things as:
* Beaded jewelry assembled from
purchased beads and fittings. For the purposes of the
Guild, beads must be made by the artist. Any
manufactured beads and fittings used must clearly
play a subordinate role in the finished piece.
* T-shirts, sweat shirts, hats, and
other commercially manufactured clothes, no matter
how embellished by the artist.
* Tole painting.
* Cut coin jewelry.
* Pieces assembled from kits.
* Anything made in a commercial mold, in
any medium.
* Stud earrings in commercially made
settings.
* Enamels on manufactured
representational copper shapes.
* Manufactured items.
* Manufactured tiles with a design as a
major component of the piece.
* Dried flowers, whether they are in
groups, arrangement, or bouquets.
* Wreaths.
* Dough art or food.
These exceptions are pretty typical of artist
groups, art shows, and most arts&crafts fairs. (The
basic list is from Judi Brook, after some
discussion.) The ‘what is art’ debate isn’t relevant,
since if you call it art, that is what it is. The
Guild’s artist members would like to be represented
by a certain kind of art, which is the reason for
the jurying process.
V. JURYING-IN: The Board will appoint one
Artist Member as Membership Chair. The Membership
Chair may be an elected member of the Board or an
ex-officio member of the Board and is a voting member
of the Board. This officer will arrange for a time,
place and a Jury when a new member applies. The
Membership Chair shall set the method by which the
jury makes its decision (checklist of points,
subjective decision after discussion, etc.) and
prepare ballots if needed. The Jury will consist of
five Artist Members of the Guild. The decision of The
Guild is final. Artists not accepted at the first
jurying may reapply after one year.
* 5a. ACCEPTABLE WORKS: Before calling
for a Jury, the Membership Chair should attempt to
find out if the applicant has read the “Acceptable
Works for Jurying” and “Unacceptable Works for
Jurying” on the Guild’s website, at
https://3rivart.org/join-the-guild, and if the ;
applicant has work that will fit with the Guild’s
mission. (The Membership officer should also make
clear to the prospective member that they are not
just paying to be in the Holiday Gallery, the Guild
is a non profit organization and has other
obligations to the community. The prospective member
will be expected to participate throughout the year.)
* 5b. PROCESS FOR JURYING IN OF ARTIST
MEMBERS: Applicants shall be juried in at a time and
place determined by the Membership Chair. Prospective
members will bring five pieces of recent work for
jurying on the assigned date, properly prepared for
presentation (see https://3rivart.org/presentation ;
for more).
* 5c. JURYING-IN STANDARDS: To assist in
understanding the process of jurying-in, typical
jurying-in standards for a fine art group are listed
below. Jurors should not be considering the
salability of the pieces of artwork presented for
jurying, but rather consider the pieces’ coherence
and artistic qualities.Five items are usually
considered; Artistic style, Technical skill, Design
and Consistency, Presentation, and an Overall
Impression.
o 1.Artistic style:Works show
the individual style of the artist.
Works are not copied; pieces
express the artists personal feelings and thoughts.
o 2.Technical skill:Handling of
the media and materials in the works shows control,
skill and experience.
o 3.Design and consistency:The
design or composition of the works exhibit knowledge
of the principles of design.
Works show a design
consistency within each piece and through the pieces
presented.
Works show that they have
taken time, thought, knowledge and skill to complete.
o 4.Presentation:Works are
presented in a manner that enhances the art.Pieces
presented are complete and ready for display.
o 5.Overall impression: Jurors
will need to have a positive overall impression of
the works presented. This will be a subjective
decision, and will depend on the particular jury and
jurors.
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