While this is a lovely discussion, it’s gotten way off the point that as
written the beading guidelines for the guild excludes me from membership.Connie
“Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to death.”Roselynn
Russell in Auntie Mame
On Monday, October 11, 2021, 7:23 AM, brianbrook <brianbrook@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
What you jury in with should be reflective of the work you display and sell at
guild events. For example, let's say I present 5 or 6 (or however many
pieces) for jurying that are metal yard art pieces. It's not OK to display
those pieces and then fill my booth with purchased metal trinkets with pins or
clasps glued to the back (or other similar items). If I want to sell such
items, there are plenty of craft shows that may allow me in.
Over the past 20 years of doing juried fine art fairs. I've seen more than a
few shows degrade into country crafts and dip mix sellers with a few fine
artists thrown in. When that new , lower level of expection is reached it's
nearly impossible to return to a previous level. Those shows permanently
became mid level craft shows.
So I think it's important to strictly maintain an expectation of a high level
of quality. And, no, not everything I display needs to be "spectacular", but
rather needs to reflect my skills, abilities, and artistic creativity while
meeting the written Guild standards.
Can I still be called an artist if I buy pre-made metal trinkets, glue a pin to
the back and sell them? Sure.But I would simply need to find a different venue
than the Three Rivers Artists Guild.
Brian
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<threeriversart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [Guild] Re: jurying rules refresher...
I'm okay with that as long as Guild events are clearly defined as such. As a
newbie I'm not sure what is and what isn't. The Pop-Up Gallery and Holiday
Gallery are obvious but what if I hear about an event through the Guild but it
isn't put on or sponsored by the Guild? Some clarification will be needed.
Really good discussion thread!
Matteo
On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, at 5:44 PM, Judith Brook wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly. Have seen some items that are definitely not up to fine
art standards, or for that matter, fine craft. We need to remove anything that
is sub-standard. Bread and butter should be relegated to other types of venues,
not our Guild events.
On 10/10/2021 9:13 AM Doug Bingaman <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I believe these "bread and butter" pieces may be the issue we are talking
about. We all know what we juried in with, it's these "extras" sliding in under
the radar that are reducing our art gallery feel to a craft show. Again, I feel
we must always display quality in our art, not reduce it to make money. Save
that for other events that have lower requirements. Kathy B.
On October 10, 2021, at 8:40 AM, "beadmistrs@xxxxxxx"
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Store bought findings are fine to use. It's the straight up stringing of store
bought stuff that looks like it's from target we dont want.
As for only selling what we were juried in with, that will eliminate most
people's bread and butter pieces, which tend to be less spectacular.
Connie
"Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to death."
Auntie Mame
On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 8:30 AM, Doug Bingaman
< dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So...no store bought findings? I am fine with this, but we need to know where
to draw the line. I have made beads and added a purchased clip to make zipper
pulls. These were the biggest sellers for me. I also use purchased headpins,
but can learn to make my own if the rules say so. I am more concerned with the
"craft" direction that some artwork is headed. I was under the impression that
your art must be what you juried in showing, not just able to create anything
you want once accepted into the guild. I would like opinions on this, as I have
been experimenting on ideas on creative ideas that are polymer art, but not
exclusively jewelry. Kathy B.
On October 9, 2021, at 5:13 PM, Judith Brook <moondancefiberart@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Sounds good to me. That applies to all pieces by any juried in artist.
On 10/07/2021 9:08 PM beadmistrs < dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
How’s this sound?
Guidelines for beadwork by bead makers, weavers, and stitchers.
Beaded pieces must show skill with both design, and techniques.*
*i.e. no loose threads, ends and edges well finished, bead holes nicely
rounded.
Strung items made with store bought beads and findings are not acceptable.
Connie
“Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to death.”
Roselynn Russell in Auntie Mame
On Wednesday, October 6, 2021, 6:11 AM, Doug Bingaman
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all. I agree with what Christine wrote. Seed beading is an art, even though
each one is manufactured, similar to mosaics. I'm not sure this was the main
issue. The quality of each piece made should be at the same level as the ones
used to jury in. Smaller, less expensive art should meet the same standards as
more pricey art. For example, a smaller painting must be just as well done as a
large one. When judging in a new member, I feel we should emphasize this fact.
I understand that we would like to make some money during our sales events, but
not by lowering our standards. Any quality below what was juried in should not
be allowed. No matter the price or size, each piece should be a handmade
treasure. Thanks, Kathy B.
On October 5, 2021, at 9:02 AM, William Welty < weltyart@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well said Christine. Bill
On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 3:19 PM Christine < christinehartzellisme@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
There were jewelry people on the jury, and the pieces Connie brought showed the
complex and interesting pieces she did with the beads--the beads were not the
main point, they were just the media used in the pieces. This is very different
from people who just string manufactured beads into a necklace and leave it at
that! The beads in her pieces play a "subordinate role in the finished piece".
On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 8:29 PM beadmistrs@xxxxxxx <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Judith,
It was the wording that kept me from applying for so long.
Connie
"Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to death."
Auntie Mame
On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 8:16 PM, Judith Brook
< moondancefiberart@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I would like to contradict my husband’s appraisal. Yes, as written your work is
disqualified. However, the artistic value and design of your work far exceeds
“bead stringers” who buy and then string beads. You embroider with manufactured
beads. Big difference. Ruth uses some manufactured beads but she adds her own
findings. Not to worry.
On 10/01/2021 6:58 PM brianbrook < brianbrook@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Connie,
I don't know what you presented when you juried in. I suspect you presented
some of your other work that was not beads (of which you have quite a bit),
The list of what is not acceptable is very typical for most fine art fairs I've
been in. I don't know about artist guilds or groups, but I believe we're very
consistent in our jurying expectations. We expect our artists to carry the jury
expectations through to the art they display.
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From: " beadmistrs@xxxxxxx("beadmistrs")" < dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 10/1/21 1:06 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: threeriversart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Lisa DeVine < dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Guild] Re: jurying rules refresher...
I think the bit about beaded stuff needs to change due to the fact that as
written I do not qualify as a member, and yet here I am.
Connie k
"Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to death."
Auntie Mame
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:49 PM, Lisa DeVine
< dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
To save all potential guild jurors time... I've copied jurying info from our
website.
Unacceptable for jurying
BY ARTNEWS ON JANUARY 20, 2011
Work based primarily on manufactured items is not acceptable for jurying. This
includes, but isn’t limited to, such things as:
- Beaded jewelry assembled from purchased beads and fittings. For the
purposes of the Guild, beads must be made by the artist. Any manufactured beads
and fittings used must clearly play a subordinate role in the finished piece.
- T-shirts, sweat shirts, hats, and other commercially manufactured clothes,
no matter how embellished by the artist.
- Tole painting.
- Cut coin jewelry.
- Pieces assembled from kits.
- Anything made in a commercial mold, in any medium.
- Stud earrings in commercially made settings.
- Enamels on manufactured representational copper shapes.
- Manufactured items.
- Manufactured tiles with a design as a major component of the piece.
- Dried flowers, whether they are in groups, arrangement, or bouquets.
- Wreaths.
- Dough art or food.
These exceptions are pretty typical of artist groups, art shows, and most
arts&crafts fairs. (The basic list is from Judi Brook, after some discussion.)
The ‘what is art’ debate isn’t relevant, since if you call it art, that is what
it is. The Guild’s artist members would like to be represented by a certain
kind of art, which is the reason for the jurying process.
V. JURYING-IN: The Board will appoint one Artist Member as Membership Chair.
The Membership Chair may be an elected member of the Board or an ex-officio
member of the Board and is a voting member of the Board. This officer will
arrange for a time, place and a Jury when a new member applies. The Membership
Chair shall set the method by which the jury makes its decision (checklist of
points, subjective decision after discussion, etc.) and prepare ballots if
needed. The Jury will consist of five Artist Members of the Guild. The decision
of The Guild is final. Artists not accepted at the first jurying may reapply
after one year.
- 5a. ACCEPTABLE WORKS: Before calling for a Jury, the Membership Chair
should attempt to find out if the applicant has read the “Acceptable Works for
Jurying” and “Unacceptable Works for Jurying” on the Guild’s website, at
https://3rivart.org/join-the-guild, and if the applicant has work that will fit ;
with the Guild’s mission. (The Membership officer should also make clear to the
prospective member that they are not just paying to be in the Holiday Gallery,
the Guild is a non profit organization and has other obligations to the
community. The prospective member will be expected to participate throughout
the year.)
- 5b. PROCESS FOR JURYING IN OF ARTIST MEMBERS: Applicants shall be juried
in at a time and place determined by the Membership Chair. Prospective members
will bring five pieces of recent work for jurying on the assigned date,
properly prepared for presentation (see https://3rivart.org/presentation for ;
more).
- 5c. JURYING-IN STANDARDS: To assist in understanding the process of
jurying-in, typical jurying-in standards for a fine art group are listed below.
Jurors should not be considering the salability of the pieces of artwork
presented for jurying, but rather consider the pieces’ coherence and artistic
qualities.Five items are usually considered; Artistic style, Technical skill,
Design and Consistency, Presentation, and an Overall Impression.
- 1.Artistic style:Works show the individual style of the artist.
Works are not copied; pieces express the artists personal feelings and
thoughts.
- 2.Technical skill:Handling of the media and materials in the works
shows control, skill and experience.
- 3.Design and consistency:The design or composition of the works exhibit
knowledge of the principles of design.
Works show a design consistency within each piece and through the pieces
presented.
Works show that they have taken time, thought, knowledge and skill to complete.
- 4.Presentation:Works are presented in a manner that enhances the
art.Pieces presented are complete and ready for display.
- 5.Overall impression: Jurors will need to have a positive overall
impression of the works presented. This will be a subjective decision, and will
depend on the particular jury and jurors.
