[THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
- From: Jeff Pitsch <jepitsch@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:42:44 -0400
I'm genuinely curious. Why would you use TS/MF to deploy Visual
Studio? It boggles my imagination what those developers could be
doing to the server. Call me old school, but I would rather
developers mess with their own machines than mess with one of mine in
that way. Seriously, one dumb developer or one badly compiled program
and everyone on the server is now not working. Just doesn't seem very
prudent.
Jeff Pitsch
On 7/13/05, Henry Sieff <hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> If I needed to support more developers, or deploy the app on general-use
> servers, I probably would opt for the softricity route.
>
> Has anyone used Softricity to deploy vs.net?
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Braebaum, Neil
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:53 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> >
> > For something like this virtualising or isolating the apps is
> > almost certainly a requirement (see: Softgrid or app
> > isolation environments in PS4), and performance optimisation
> > software (tscale, armtech, appsense).
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Henry Sieff
> > > Sent: 13 July 2005 16:09
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> > >
> > > I run a server with this for a development team of about 16, but
> > > rarely do we see more than 4-6 users at a time. I saw performance
> > > degradation when I had 10 users compile a large app at the
> > same time,
> > > but its been pretty stable and that useage pattern isn't
> > normal, so I
> > > would feel pretty confident putting 20 or so users on there doing
> > > normal development, anything more and things may get interesting
> > > because the IDE is very inefficient for running apps.
> > >
> > > I would strongly recommend, if you plan on pushing it to 20
> > users and
> > > beyond, that you use a CPU and/or memory optimization package like
> > > tscale or armtech because your developers will starve each
> > other and
> > > the OS.
> > >
> > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/academic/techdown/techprod/netframew
> > > ork/devsys
> > > /devsysws03/default.aspx is a link to a bunch of stuff about doing
> > > just this.
> > >
> > > Permissions can be hard - for some tasks (debugging asp.net apps in
> > > IIS5) they need to be local admins (whidbey is supposed to fix this
> > > problem). I simply use a runas and set up a local admin
> > which they run
> > > the app as once they log in if they need to do this. When I migrate
> > > this to Win2k3, I can use II6 which allows me to give each
> > developer
> > > their own app pool which runs as them, and then they can debug to
> > > their hearts content.
> > >
> > > Sysinternals is crucial since when they aren't running as
> > local admin
> > > they still need extra perms to HKCR, et al.
> > >
> > > Oh, and take images a lot, since at some point a third
> > party control
> > > will get installed that will fuxor everything.
> > >
> > > SourceSafe (I assume that's what you mean) was very easy and runs
> > > great.
> > > VS.NET is tougher, but as long as you are willing to spend
> > some time
> > > tweaking registry permissions and take steps to control
> > changes (third
> > > party control installation etc.) it can be pretty stable.
> >
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