[THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
- From: Jeff Pitsch <jepitsch@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:40:50 -0400
Thanks for the answers guys. Give me something to think about...
Jeff Pitsch
On 7/13/05, Henry Sieff <hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 1. Remote access - developers in our environment frequently have to work
> remotely, and rather than have to figure out how to provide them access
> to the source code repository securely, I'd rather use citrix.
> 2. On there home machines, developers might not have the right set of
> controls installed or different versions of controls. This makes code
> built and compiled on their machine suspect.
>
> They still use there own machines if they are in the office.
>
> The environment I set up is done with the understanding that they may
> have to deal with their fellow developers screwing things up. That's why
> I make images (rollback) and why I don't put it on general use servers,
> except for sourcesafe which is fairly benign.
>
> FWIW - I haven't had to blow out the OS once since I built this, and
> thus far (6 months), no BSOD on the current setup and most problems were
> solved by ending an offending session. (knock on wood).
>
>
> --
> Henry Sieff
> Network Engineer
> ph. 504-620-3420
> mob. 504-931-4638
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Pitsch
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:43 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> >
> > I'm genuinely curious. Why would you use TS/MF to deploy
> > Visual Studio? It boggles my imagination what those
> > developers could be doing to the server. Call me old school,
> > but I would rather developers mess with their own machines
> > than mess with one of mine in that way. Seriously, one dumb
> > developer or one badly compiled program and everyone on the
> > server is now not working. Just doesn't seem very prudent.
> >
> > Jeff Pitsch
> >
> >
> > On 7/13/05, Henry Sieff <hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > If I needed to support more developers, or deploy the app on
> > > general-use servers, I probably would opt for the softricity route.
> > >
> > > Has anyone used Softricity to deploy vs.net?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Henry Sieff
> > > Network Engineer
> > > ph. 504-620-3420
> > > mob. 504-931-4638
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Braebaum, Neil
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:53 AM
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> > > >
> > > > For something like this virtualising or isolating the
> > apps is almost
> > > > certainly a requirement (see: Softgrid or app isolation
> > environments
> > > > in PS4), and performance optimisation software (tscale, armtech,
> > > > appsense).
> > > >
> > > > Neil
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Henry Sieff
> > > > > Sent: 13 July 2005 16:09
> > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> > > > >
> > > > > I run a server with this for a development team of
> > about 16, but
> > > > > rarely do we see more than 4-6 users at a time. I saw
> > performance
> > > > > degradation when I had 10 users compile a large app at the
> > > > same time,
> > > > > but its been pretty stable and that useage pattern isn't
> > > > normal, so I
> > > > > would feel pretty confident putting 20 or so users on
> > there doing
> > > > > normal development, anything more and things may get
> > interesting
> > > > > because the IDE is very inefficient for running apps.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would strongly recommend, if you plan on pushing it to 20
> > > > users and
> > > > > beyond, that you use a CPU and/or memory optimization
> > package like
> > > > > tscale or armtech because your developers will starve each
> > > > other and
> > > > > the OS.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/academic/techdown/techprod/netframew
> > > > > ork/devsys
> > > > > /devsysws03/default.aspx is a link to a bunch of stuff
> > about doing
> > > > > just this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Permissions can be hard - for some tasks (debugging
> > asp.net apps
> > > > > in
> > > > > IIS5) they need to be local admins (whidbey is supposed to fix
> > > > > this problem). I simply use a runas and set up a local admin
> > > > which they run
> > > > > the app as once they log in if they need to do this. When I
> > > > > migrate this to Win2k3, I can use II6 which allows me
> > to give each
> > > > developer
> > > > > their own app pool which runs as them, and then they
> > can debug to
> > > > > their hearts content.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sysinternals is crucial since when they aren't running as
> > > > local admin
> > > > > they still need extra perms to HKCR, et al.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, and take images a lot, since at some point a third
> > > > party control
> > > > > will get installed that will fuxor everything.
> > > > >
> > > > > SourceSafe (I assume that's what you mean) was very
> > easy and runs
> > > > > great.
> > > > > VS.NET is tougher, but as long as you are willing to spend
> > > > some time
> > > > > tweaking registry permissions and take steps to control
> > > > changes (third
> > > > > party control installation etc.) it can be pretty stable.
> > > >
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