[THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
- From: "Braebaum, Neil" <Neil.Braebaum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:46:44 +0100
FWIW, where this is concerned, it returns to the rationale I implemented
Citrix in early '98.
Back then, the main, single reason I did it, was bandwidth - all the
other reasons were icing on the cake.
Sure TCO, manageability, and a centralised solution were nice to have,
but the bandwidth I couldn't get around by any other approach - at least
within reasonable financial constraints.
Sometimes, that very same, singular, unavoidable reason still applies -
good bandwidth, over big distance, costs.
Neil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Pitsch
> Sent: 13 July 2005 18:41
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
>
> Thanks for the answers guys. Give me something to think about...
>
> Jeff Pitsch
>
> On 7/13/05, Henry Sieff <hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 1. Remote access - developers in our environment frequently have to
> > work remotely, and rather than have to figure out how to
> provide them
> > access to the source code repository securely, I'd rather
> use citrix.
> > 2. On there home machines, developers might not have the
> right set of
> > controls installed or different versions of controls. This
> makes code
> > built and compiled on their machine suspect.
> >
> > They still use there own machines if they are in the office.
> >
> > The environment I set up is done with the understanding
> that they may
> > have to deal with their fellow developers screwing things
> up. That's
> > why I make images (rollback) and why I don't put it on general use
> > servers, except for sourcesafe which is fairly benign.
> >
> > FWIW - I haven't had to blow out the OS once since I built
> this, and
> > thus far (6 months), no BSOD on the current setup and most problems
> > were solved by ending an offending session. (knock on wood).
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Pitsch
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:43 AM
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> > >
> > > I'm genuinely curious. Why would you use TS/MF to deploy Visual
> > > Studio? It boggles my imagination what those developers could be
> > > doing to the server. Call me old school, but I would rather
> > > developers mess with their own machines than mess with
> one of mine
> > > in that way. Seriously, one dumb developer or one badly compiled
> > > program and everyone on the server is now not working.
> Just doesn't
> > > seem very prudent.
> > >
> > > Jeff Pitsch
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/13/05, Henry Sieff <hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > If I needed to support more developers, or deploy the app on
> > > > general-use servers, I probably would opt for the
> softricity route.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone used Softricity to deploy vs.net?
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Braebaum, Neil
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:53 AM
> > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> > > > >
> > > > > For something like this virtualising or isolating the
> > > apps is almost
> > > > > certainly a requirement (see: Softgrid or app isolation
> > > environments
> > > > > in PS4), and performance optimisation software
> (tscale, armtech,
> > > > > appsense).
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Henry Sieff
> > > > > > Sent: 13 July 2005 16:09
> > > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I run a server with this for a development team of
> > > about 16, but
> > > > > > rarely do we see more than 4-6 users at a time. I saw
> > > performance
> > > > > > degradation when I had 10 users compile a large app at the
> > > > > same time,
> > > > > > but its been pretty stable and that useage pattern isn't
> > > > > normal, so I
> > > > > > would feel pretty confident putting 20 or so users on
> > > there doing
> > > > > > normal development, anything more and things may get
> > > interesting
> > > > > > because the IDE is very inefficient for running apps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would strongly recommend, if you plan on pushing it to 20
> > > > > users and
> > > > > > beyond, that you use a CPU and/or memory optimization
> > > package like
> > > > > > tscale or armtech because your developers will starve each
> > > > > other and
> > > > > > the OS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/academic/techdown/techprod/netframew
> > > > > > ork/devsys
> > > > > > /devsysws03/default.aspx is a link to a bunch of stuff
> > > about doing
> > > > > > just this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Permissions can be hard - for some tasks (debugging
> > > asp.net apps
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > IIS5) they need to be local admins (whidbey is
> supposed to fix
> > > > > > this problem). I simply use a runas and set up a local admin
> > > > > which they run
> > > > > > the app as once they log in if they need to do this. When I
> > > > > > migrate this to Win2k3, I can use II6 which allows me
> > > to give each
> > > > > developer
> > > > > > their own app pool which runs as them, and then they
> > > can debug to
> > > > > > their hearts content.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sysinternals is crucial since when they aren't running as
> > > > > local admin
> > > > > > they still need extra perms to HKCR, et al.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, and take images a lot, since at some point a third
> > > > > party control
> > > > > > will get installed that will fuxor everything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SourceSafe (I assume that's what you mean) was very
> > > easy and runs
> > > > > > great.
> > > > > > VS.NET is tougher, but as long as you are willing to spend
> > > > > some time
> > > > > > tweaking registry permissions and take steps to control
> > > > > changes (third
> > > > > > party control installation etc.) it can be pretty stable.
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