Damn!. I stand corrected. That a no-cost upgrade if you ask me. Those XEONs are CHEAP!!! Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect =20 RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 312.961.2380 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx =20 -----Original Message----- From: Selinger, Stephen [mailto:SSelinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:36 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: New Dell 1650 questions? Below are the configurations of the 1650 vs the 2650. The 2650 is $699.00 CDN more then the 1650 but includes the 2.4 Xeons and the DDR ram. The 2650 would also require 1U extra rack space. PowerEdge 2650 2 x 2.4 Ghz CPUs 2 GB DDR RAM (2 x 1GB DIMM) 2 x 18 GB SCSI Hard drives (just for comparison purposes)=20 24 x IDE CDROM NO OS Rapid Rails PERC 3Di Oboard NICs Active Bezel=20 Documentation Dual power supplies No keyboard, mouse, or monitor (assuming KVM connected) 3 yr warranty with 4 hr onsite response 7x24 PowerEdge 1650 2 x 1.4 Ghz CPUs 2 GB RAM (2 x 1GB DIMM) 2 x 18 G SCSI Hard Drives PERC 3Di Onboard NICs Active Bezel Documentation Dual power supplies 3 yr warranty with 4 hr onsite response 7x24 No keyboard, mouse, monitor (assuming KVM connection)=20 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: October 23, 2002 9:21 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: New Dell 1650 questions? Yeah BUT are they only 800 bucks more with the XEONs and the 6 b of ram over a dual Pentium with 2 gb....=3D20 If so buy a truck load cause I want them.=3D20 If not then it is a measure of how much performance you get against the dollars spent. =3D20 Don't get me wrong. XEONs are the bad boys on the block. But when dealing with a small env with budget restrictions..... they cant always be there.=3D20 Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect =3D20 RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 312.961.2380 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx =3D20 -----Original Message----- From: Selinger, Stephen [mailto:SSelinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:22 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: New Dell 1650 questions? Hello, What about the Dell 2650's? Yes they are 2U but they support 2 2.4 Xeon processors and up to 6 Gig of 200Mhz DDR SDRAM and a Embedded remote access port. (great for when you need to reboot a dead server remotely). I belive a simular 1650 is only about $800.00 CDN less. I know I am debating which server to purchase. Thoughts? =3D20 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20 Sent: October 23, 2002 8:41 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: New Dell 1650 questions? Here ya go: PowerEdge 1650 PowerEdge 1650,Intel Pentium III,1.4GHz w/512K Cache =3D3D20 Qty: 1 =3D3D20 SALE PRICE=3D3D20 Price: $3,839.00=3D3D20 [save $200.00]=3D3D20 =3D3D20 =3D3D20 Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:42:20 AM CDT =3D3D20 Catalog Number: 04 04 =3D3D20 PowerEdge 1650: PowerEdge 1650,Intel Pentium III,1.4GHz w/512K Cache Additional Processors: Dual Processor Intel Pentium III,1.4GHz w/512K=3D3D20 Memory: 1GB SDRAM,133MHz,2X512MB DIMMs 1GB2D =3D3D20 Keyboard: No Keyboard Option N [310-3281] =3D3D20 Monitor: No Monitor Option N [320-0058] =3D3D20 Power Source: AC Power Option for Dell PowerEdge 1650 ACPWR [310-1357] =3D3D20 PCI Riser: PCI Riser,2x64bit/66MHz slots 64BPCI [430-0288] = =3D3D20 Second Hard Drive: 18GB 15K RPM Ultra 160 SCSI Hard Drive =3D3D20 First Hard Drive: 18GB 15K RPM Ultra 160 SCSI Hard Drive =3D Primary=3D3D20 Controller: PERC3-DI,128MB Battery Backed Cache,1 Int,1 Ext Channels- Embedded RAID ROMB128 [340-3605] =3D3D20 Diskette Drive: 1.44MB Diskette Drive FD [340-3612] =3D3D20 First Network Adapter: Dual On-Board NICs OBNICS [430-8991] = =3D3D20 CD ROM or DVD ROM: 24X IDE Internal CD ROM Drive CD24X [313-0317] Bezel: Active Bezel Option for Dell PowerEdge 1650 BEZEL [313-0868] =3D3D20 Hard Drive Backplane: 3 Bay (1x3) Hot Plug SCSI Hard Drive Backplane Documentation: Users Manual,Installation and Trouble Shooting Guide on CD =3D3D20 Hard Drive Configuration: On-Board RAID1,2 drives connected to on-board RAID MR1 [340-3607] =3D3D20 =3D3D20 =3D3D20 =3D3D20 Dell PCs use genuine Microsoft(r) Windows(r) =3D3D20 www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell=3D3D20 =3D3D20 =3D3D20 Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect =3D3D20 RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 312.961.2380 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx =3D3D20 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Oglesby=3D3D20 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:34 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: New Dell 1650 questions? Well, Since you currently have some MF boxes running these apps I would look at them to see how they are doing on Proc and memory. Gives you a good starting point.=3D3D3D20 I like duals for everything, unless I have tons (in the thousands of users) then MAYBE quads or Blades (more for cable and OS mgmt than anything else) With a Dual I go 2 Gig of RAM. If you want to start with a GIG that is fine but configure your memory so you still have slots available. So if you have 4 slots and get a gig don't buy 4 256 modules. Then you have to replace them all. Get 2 512's For drives. Go with 18 gig scsi's, you can go bigger if there isn't much of a price different. Tear it up bro. Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect =3D3D3D20 RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 312.961.2380 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx =3D3D3D20 -----Original Message----- From: Mark Guzzo [mailto:marguz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:38 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] New Dell 1650 questions? Hello I just had a nice talk with the director of IT here. I mentioned (thanks Ron) to him the Dell 1650 series server, he jumped on it :-) Now he wants me to spec it out and recommend how many servers to buy at first. So my question(s) is this... Recommend amount of memory? 1G or more? Processor type? Looks like I can get PIII 1.8MHz (TWO per box) I will be running OfficeXP, Meditech, Acrobat Reader. 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