[texbirds] Re: Count Circle and CBC centers
- From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: spcgraham.floyd@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:00:19 -0600
Ha, Heck yeah...A 15 mile dia circle in the Andes would be just a LITTLE
bit different than one in Kansas....Wonder how they/we cope....B
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On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Graham Floyd <spcgraham.floyd@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> This topic has touched an interesting nerve with a lot of folks. I am not
> an authority on any of this, just a very casual interested party. Thanks
> to all your responses, I learned that the same information as the Count
> Circle app is available through the Audubon Society, for free. I also
> learned that in at least one case, the information that Audubon has is
> widely off the mark; an understatement that, it's almost in the wrong
> country. I have no information about how CBC circles are entered into the
> Audubon database. Some have mentioned that a user can easily submit the
> Count Circle for review. This is not the case, as the app's guidance
> specificaly asks that only that Count's Compiler do so. As another comment
> indicated, havoc would ensue if thousands of users all submitted their own
> version of the circle.
> I now recommend the app even less, since the same information is available
> free through Audubon.
>
> Since I owe Brush a good spar :-) I jumped on the app to see the
> boundaries of the Andean CBC's that fascinate me so much (think 500 species
> in one circle). I love a good map, and the Andes especially has been
> largely unmapped since the 1960's. Conservationists using photographs from
> the 1960's to identify steep slopes that may likely still have intact
> habitat that could be purchased.... :-(
>
> Graham Floyd,
> San Antonio, TX
>
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 4:06 PM, JimJones-FWAS <jjones4fwas@xxxxxxxxx
> >wrote:
>
> > I felt that I needed to address two issues I have with some of the
> comments
> > about this App and the CBC data shown on the National Audubon Society
> > website.
> > I do not have the App so it may in fact be a wonderful thing to behold.
> But
> > one of the replies on TexBirds said if you don't like where your circle
> is,
> > the APP allows you to submit a request to change it. I sure hope that the
> > App developers contact the local compilers before doing any changes.
> > Otherwise, the historical census in a well-established CBC becomes
> useless.
> > My second issue is with the CBC map available on the NAS website. If the
> > App
> > and the NAS data are interlinked, be aware of one glaring error with the
> > NAS
> > map.
> > I take part in two local CBCs in Fort Worth, the Fort Worth CBC and
> Village
> > Creek Drying Beds CBC. I looked at the NAS CBC map and saw that the drawn
> > circles did not extend out as far as the Topo map we've used for many
> > years.
> > I measured both of the local circles on the NAS website and discovered
> they
> > are drawn at 12.6 miles in diameter!?! I also looked at and measured five
> > other CBC circles in north Texas. All are shown as 12.6 miles in
> diameter.
> > A
> > CBC circle is to be 15-miles in diameter.
> > If you use the NAS map or the App (if it has the same fault in its
> design),
> > be aware that you are losing over a full mile of the outer-radius in your
> > circle area.
> > I agree with Bush's comment: know your area.
> > I would add: if needed, go to the library and get a survey map that
> > includes
> > your circle and draw the 15-mile circle onto it. If the library can't
> make
> > copies for you, write down the map number and hit the internet. I
> collected
> > these types of maps for many years. As recently as 2003, I purchased them
> > from various stores and government agencies. Stores that specialize in
> > hiking and other serious outdoor activities usually have local maps
> > available.
> >
> > Jim Jones
> > Bedford, TX
> >
> >
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