[TCUG] Re: Puffin Crossings - Nearside Indicators
- From: Andrew Cockburn <Andrew.Cockburn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:12:35 +0100
Traffic advisory leaflet 01/02 does state "...the near side signal should be
mounted immediately above the push button box. This allows children and
people in wheelchairs to view the signal easily." Although in our
experience this is not always possible as it does not leave enough room to
access the boxes for servicing.
We have had many complaints from pedestrians that they cannot see the
nearside signal, particularly at the busier crossings. We have had to
install additional signals higher up the poles at one site, but this is not
possible at every location as we will get back to the old problem at Puffins
of drivers 'confusing' the higher pedestrian signals with the vehicle
signals.
I can see this becoming more of a problem at our new nearside Toucan sites,
as we are still only allowed to use the nearside signal on the upstream
pole. The extra width and the fact that pedestrians and cyclists
automatically split to the two push button boxes means generally the users
are further apart, making the single low signal even harder to see. I would
be interested to hear if anyone has any further experience of this.
Andrew Cockburn
Darlington Borough Council
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> From: Howard Saffer[SMTP:Howard.Saffer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
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> Sent: 18 September 2002 09:37
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> Subject: [TCUG] Re: Puffin Crossings - Nearside Indicators
>
>
> Related to this question - when installing separate PDU and nearside
> signals
> (e.g. PEEK type equipment), we have been pondering over the preferred
> (vertical) separation of the two units on the pole.
>
> The Puffin regs (where the diagram and dimensions show the nearside
> signal/PDU as a combined unit) would seem to require (indirectly) that the
> two separate units have a minimum separation (<50mm). However, in many
> cases
> having a larger separation (and installing the nearside indicator higher
> up
> the pole) would seem to make more sense - and might avoid the need to
> install an additional nearside signal directly above the first.
>
> I would be interested to hear comments from other users.
>
> Regards - Howard Saffer
> Sheffield City Council
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hodge, Peter [mailto:PeterHodge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 17 September 2002 17:06
> To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Cc: Tony Pike (E-mail); Power, Sean; Usher, Andrew; Colin Clarke
> (E-mail)
> Subject: [TCUG] Puffin Crossings - Nearside Indicators
>
>
>
> Dear All.
>
> This old chestnut has cropped up again.
>
> East Sussex CC have recently converted a pelican crossing to a puffin. So
> "what's new" I hear you say. This time its outside a secondary school with
> 1200 pupils.
>
> The headmaster is none to pleased because at 3 o'clock hundreds of kids
> attempt to use the crossing and they cannot see the nearside indicator. We
> have installed a second unit above the original, but he's still not happy.
> Whilst I tend to agree with his point of view I am not sure what else we
> can
> do. Any ideas would be welcome.
>
> My question is:
>
> Has anybody had a similar experience, particularly outside a school. If
> so,
> what else can we do the help?
> Has anybody used far side indicators on a puffin and do you require GOSE
> authorisation?
>
> Your comments would be very much appreciated.
>
>
> Peter Hodge
> Senior Engineer
>
> Owen Williams Consultants
> Caburn House
> Brooks Road
> Lewes
> East Sussex
> BN7 2BY
>
> Tel 01273 897200 (Reception)
> Tel 01273 897149 (Direct Line)
> Fax 01273 897196
> peterhodge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> leweshighways@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.owenwilliams.co.uk
>
>
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