[TCUG] Re: Pedestrian Crossing Bleepers
- From: Howard Saffer <Howard.Saffer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:10:11 +0100
For people that are interested in this issue (Bleepers, Tactiles, Bleep &
Sweep) - and missed the earlier discussions on this list - there was a lot
of discussion on the topic between Dec 2001 and March 2002. This is still
available for reference on the freelists TCUG archive on their website:
//www.freelists.org/archives/tcug/
I think I commented then (in these earlier discussions) how we in the UK
seem to be one of the few countries in the 'western world' not to use
audibles that adjust to ambient sound levels. This is a standard facility on
many current push button units, particularly in the US and Australia. Why
should we have to resort to Bleep and Sweep just to obtain this facility?
Perhaps we ought to encourage signal manufacturers in this country to look
at providing this in current push buttons (for Pelicans and Puffins)
Howard Saffer
Sheffield City Council
-----Original Message-----
From: Welsh, Paul [mailto:Paul.Welsh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 10 September 2002 10:20
To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [TCUG] Re: Pedestrian Crossing Bleepers
The problem with tactile indicators is that they aren't the device of choice
for blind users and others. Giving them a lower grade of service for part
of the day is arguably discriminatory.
Having the volume change with background noise as with Bleep& Sweep would be
far better, though there are problem sites, where the topography focuses the
sound on some poor resident's bedroom. (There is one like that in Coventry
on the Walsgrave Rd.)
The double fitting also adds to costs, with little overall benefit.
PW
-----Original Message-----
From: Probert, Norman (Environmental Services)
[mailto:NProbert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 06 September 2002 15:57
To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [TCUG] Re: Pedestrian Crossing Bleepers
Hi John
AS you know we do have some older crossings with audible signal switched off
overnight, but all more recent crossing are now fitted with Tactile Cones
that operate at all times. We intend as funds are available to retrofit to
all sites in time.
Regards Norman
Norman Probert
Senior Engineer Traffic Control Systems
Tel 01905-766822
Email nprobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:nprobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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