In Derby we take the opinion that just because it is dark doesn't mean that blind people will not be around. What we decided to do was tackle the real problem - PD to peds due to vandalism - and we fitted piezo pushbuttons which give us very little trouble. We've been doing this for 4 or 5 years on problem sites - they only work on microprocessor controllers, older solid state ones seem to destroy them with too much back emf. Ian Wallis Derby City Council -----Original Message----- From: Smith, John C (Carlisle) [mailto:JohnC.Smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 06 September 2002 15:33 To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TCUG] Pedestrian Crossing Bleepers One or two people living near to pedestrian crossings have complained to me about bleepers "going off all night". In one case the bleepers are switched off by the time clock at 23:00 until 07:30 so they clearly do not bleep all night. I know that this is an old problem, but it started me thinking about the old question of if we should be turning off bleepers at all. I know that in some parts of Birmingham, Hereford and Worcester a large number of blind people use the streets at all times. This probably applies to many parts of the country and these people have a reasonable right to expect signals to work to the same specification at all times. I would like to know what other people do about turning of bleepers at night. Does anyone know of any guidance from the HA or anyone else about this. John Smith ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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Ian Wallis Derby City Council -----Original Message----- From: Smith, John C (Carlisle) [mailto:JohnC.Smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[1]] Sent: 06 September 2002 15:33 To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TCUG] Pedestrian Crossing Bleepers One or two people living near to pedestrian crossings have complained to me about bleepers "going off all night". In one case the bleepers are switched off by the time clock at 23:00 until 07:30 so they clearly do not bleep all night. I know that this is an old problem, but it started me thinking about the old question of if we should be turning off bleepers at all. I know that in some parts of Birmingham, Hereford and Worcester a large number of blind people use the streets at all times. This probably applies to many parts of the country and these people have a reasonable right to expect signals to work to the same specification at all times. I would like to know what other people do about turning of bleepers at night. 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