Peter and Chris are on to something here Having recently had a sietag unit apart (hair brained idea about how we could detect horses!!)there doesn't seem to be a lot to=20 them! (it's mostly mounting to attach to a bus) it shouldn't take much work to cut a loop that (along with a push button demand) switches in an alternative stage giving a longer fixed time to cross??? Anthony Sharp=20 Engineer (Traffic Signals)=20 Highways South Gloucestershire Council=20 Broad lane, Yate BS37 7FY=20 Tel: (01454) 86 3605=20 Fax: (01454) 86 3757=20 Find out more about the work of the Highways Section at: www.southglos.gov.uk/highways =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bull Peter Sent: 17 July 2007 15:11 To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [TCUG] Re: Detection Problems at Pedestrian Crossings This looks like a specific difficult location which warrants some special engineering attention, and if necessary an application to DfT for special authorisation. Would it be possible to use something like an RNIB React keyfob to introduce some longer timings, together with modified on-crossing detectors and additional push-buttons? Oh and also consider reducing the speed limit as well. In other words, I agree with everybody else's suggestions. Peter Bull -----Original Message----- From: Traffic Signals [mailto:traffic.signals@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 17 July 2007 15:00 To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TCUG] Re: Detection Problems at Pedestrian Crossings Is all this not a failing on our own parts as well as the signals companies? We have keyfobs for our cars. We have Livewire for AGD. We have Bluetooth on our phones, laptops, even our controllers. Why are we not adopting technology so that these people do not have problems at our crossings, such as having special pushbuttons even lower down than normal, or getting stuck on our crossings in the middle of the road. The technology is out there - is it not up to us to be engaging the disabled populace and the signals companies together to actually make these crossings work for us all? We've had Puffin technology for what, ten years? And clearly we've still not got it right. 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