[TCUG] Re: Detection Problems at Pedestrian Crossings
- From: "Whiteside, Robert" <Robert.Whiteside@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:23:21 +0100
Just an Idea but what about using the X-Flo mats as a kind of ped call ca=
ncel to put a ped demand in, no fingers needed!. So if a wheel chair(of a=
nything) sits on it for a set time(3sec?) the demand is entered, equally =
if they move off before demand is serviced, then demand is canceled. Some=
one in a wheel chair isnt going to move about like a pedestrian. Of cours=
e, long term, this relies on the X-Flo being reliable. Im sure the guys w=
ho make these said they have been used in Australia for this ??, not exac=
tly idea as a retro fit due to civil work.
=20Having not used the X-Flo (Anyone who has?) couldn't say how well thes=
e would work.
Obviously doesnt solve the On crossing extension, But has you tried the V=
isipad instead of the AGD? These can be set up to add different extension=
=20times into each defined area(upto 10) and you only need one!=20
Just idea's, using stuff what's already out there !
Many Thanks
Rob Whiteside
Traffic Signal Engineer
Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council
Environment & Development Services
Tel: 01709 823068
Fax: 01709 837797
email: robert.whiteside@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Tony Sharp
Sent: 17 July 2007 15:45
To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TCUG] Re: Detection Problems at Pedestrian Crossings
Peter and Chris are on to something here
Having recently had a sietag unit apart (hair brained idea about how we
could detect horses!!)there doesn't seem to be a lot to=3D20
them! (it's mostly mounting to attach to a bus) it shouldn't take much
work to cut a loop that (along with a push button demand) switches in an
alternative stage giving a longer fixed time to cross???
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From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bull Peter
Sent: 17 July 2007 15:11
To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [TCUG] Re: Detection Problems at Pedestrian Crossings
This looks like a specific difficult location which warrants some
special engineering attention, and if necessary an application to DfT
for special authorisation. Would it be possible to use something like an
RNIB React keyfob to introduce some longer timings, together with
modified on-crossing detectors and additional push-buttons? Oh and also
consider reducing the speed limit as well. In other words, I agree with
everybody else's suggestions.
Peter Bull
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From: Traffic Signals [mailto:traffic.signals@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 17 July 2007 15:00
To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TCUG] Re: Detection Problems at Pedestrian Crossings
Is all this not a failing on our own parts as well as the signals
companies?
We have keyfobs for our cars. We have Livewire for AGD. We have
Bluetooth on our phones, laptops, even our controllers.
Why are we not adopting technology so that these people do not have
problems at our crossings, such as having special pushbuttons even lower
down than normal, or getting stuck on our crossings in the middle of the
road.
The technology is out there - is it not up to us to be engaging the
disabled populace and the signals companies together to actually make
these crossings work for us all?
We've had Puffin technology for what, ten years? And clearly we've still
not got it right. What with all these stories of puffins being ripped
out in favour of pelicans and all the negative press that some areas of
the country seem to generate regarding nearsides...
Why do we often seem to wait for the DfT to do anything about anything?
If we keep up with that, we'll die of old age before any good comes. Is
it not our collective *responsibility* (given all the things we talk
about on this forum) to all get together and actually bottom this out
once and for all for the benefit of ALL?
Chris Pearson
Traffic Systems Engineer
Milton Keynes Council
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