[tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.

From: James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:05:04 -0700 (PDT)
Where do I find a Rabbit reservoir? Are they still available and (hopefully not 
a silly question) what year? 

I went through many hurdles to get E-brakes on the '59 with the later tranny 
but I'd rather have a third back up. They keep it from rolling in neutral but I 
doubt they would do anything but delay impact. Hopefully I can adjust the 
tension up front some more because I have the rear shoes dragging on the drum 
already.

--- On Sat, 7/9/11, singlecabboy <sealingwaxred@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: singlecabboy <sealingwaxred@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 10:57 PM

This is thew stuff I used when we put the disc brakes on the Zone.I didn't want 
to bring it up because you know me sometimes my splainin ain't too good Lucey.

Paul Smith
Transporters@The Point 8 
October 7,8 and 9 ,2011
Morgan's Point Resort Texas

--- On Sat, 7/9/11, w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 6:13 PM


You need one of these:

http://www.wolfgangint.com/Parts/Master+Cylinder+Adapter+Kit/ ; <-- This is what 
Terry is trying to reproduce.  It's a chunk of aluminum and two bolts with a 
boot.  

They include the instructions with it.

You'll need one of each of these:

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/1973-Volkswagen-Transporter/Master-Cylinder-Brake-System/Fenco-Reman/_/N-iph7tZ8kn47Z1z13xo2 ;
 a 1971-79 master cylinder
and a vw rabbit brake fluid resevoir.

Here's a little article on the subject: 
http://www.type2.com/library/brakes/dualmas.htm

You'll also need a Tee and a short brake line, both you can get from any FLAPS.

Now, I will tell you that I had a couple of spacers made up to adapt a Chevy 
S10 setup into a bus.  I have not installed either of these yet.  Why did I 
look into this?  One: The price of the parts.  When Wolfgang and Bus Boys 
started having a run on their kits, the prices of the master cylinders and 
reservoirs shot up.  Try $120 for just the reservoir alone.  When Wilson's went 
out of business, I snagged 4 Rabbit Reservoirs and 5 late Bus Master 
Cylinders.. (Sorry, those are spoken for).  Two: The S10 has a bigger piston 
that the late bus Master Cylinder.  Even though the late bus M/C is a good unit 
it was meant to be used with a Servo, by using a M/C with a bigger piston 
diameter, I can get better brake response.  When I get around to it I'll let you
 know how it turns out.


For Dual Circuit Brakes, it's a great system and it gives you piece of mind 
that if your 50 year old brake system has a problem , you'll at least be able 
to stop.





On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx> wrote:




Can you send the details? I would like to have dual circuit, but I was told it 
was a PIA. 
 

From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
w.wood
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 4:22 PM



To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.




 
I know a machinist.  He makes parts for me from time to time.  That's how I did 
mine.  He made 6 for me.  I still have the drawing I gave him. 
You have to get a late year bay bus master cylinder.  That is the hard part.

On Jul 9, 2011 1:36 PM, "James Dwan" <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I think I need to invest in a dual MC for the '59. Let us know if you get 
> that deal worked out Terry.
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> --- On Sat, 7/9/11, theresabuckner@xxxxxxx <theresabuckner@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> From: theresabuckner@xxxxxxx
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> Subject: [tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 12:51 PM
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> will                I have 2 of the high dollar spacers     I am working a 
> deal to get them duplicated      terry
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> From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
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> To: tcb <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Subject: [tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.
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> Yes any bus from 53 to 67
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> On Jul 9, 2011 9:01 AM, "James Dwan" <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> --- On Sat, 7/9/11, w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
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>> Subject: [tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.
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>> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 8:42 AM
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>> No you can use parts that work with your configuration.  I use late bus 
>> master cylinders with rabbit reservoirs and a Spacer you can get from via 
>> boys. 
 It gets around trying to find '67 m/c .
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>> On Jul 9, 2011 7:03 AM, "Denis Dodson" <coocoo@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>> That is what comes in a '63. I have discussed changing to a dual circuit,
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>>> but I am told I have to find a different reservoir and I need to weld a
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>>> From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
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>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 PM
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>>> Subject: [tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.
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>>> I'm curious, you're not running a single circuit master cylinder are you?
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>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:09 PM, sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>>> Denis: Now aren't you damn glad we hasseled you till you got an E-brake.
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>>> Without the E-brake you would have backed Murray into a tree this time.
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>>> --- On Fri, 7/8/11, Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>> From: Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx>
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>>> Subject: [tcb] Brakes,
 always the brakes.
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>>> Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 1:46 PM
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>>> After Danny and Derrick went all though my brakes and even replaced a
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>>> backing plate and set up the E-brake, I felt so grateful, telling them that
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>>> Murray has never had good brakes. 
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>>> So I am turning off Nob Hill Road and onto Beartrap (for you who have never
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>>> been to my house, there is a slope like a 100 yard ski jump. If you just
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>>> rolled down without
 applying brakes or using the engine to slow you, you
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>>> would be doing about 125 MPH at the bottom. All right, you might be doing
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>>> 45), so I apply my brakes AND THE PEDDLE GOES RIGHT TO THE FLOOR. I had to
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>>> use all my skill and abilities learned from years of losing brakes and
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>>> crashing in to trees and rocks and such to control my speed. I quickly took
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>>> off my sandal and used my toes to pull the brake pedal up and was able to
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>>> pump up the brakes enough to remain under control. 
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>>> I got to my house and found NO fluid in the reservoir. I filled it with
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>>> brake fluid and took off for the shop thinking that I won't need
 brakes
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>>> going uphill and I can put Murray on the lift to see what's the F#*^. 
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>>> Getting to the top of the horrendously steep hill. Right to the very top, my
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>>> tires slipped on some loose rocks and Murray stalled. I put on the brakes,
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>>> nothing. I am rolling backwards. I am going to be doing 45 MPH backward. I
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>>> rolling. I am at a diagonal now, thinking that, if I lose it, I will run my
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>>> As all this is happening there is an old woman
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>>> the street watching this. I feel like yelling out through the open safari
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>>> window to call 911 or triple A, or bring me a cinder block. I don't. 
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>>> So, if I put in the clutch so I can start the motor, I start rolling. The
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>>> slope is too steep for the E-brake to do more than slow me. I open the door
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>>> and, without getting out, put my shoes, a big roll of paper towels and a
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>>> book behind the wheel as a chock. I push in the clutch.and it holds! I start
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>>> the bus and go. I am exhausted but elated. I look at the old lady and say,
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>>> "I about lost it there". She goes inside without comment. 
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>>> I am thinking that I am going to hire a hit man to take out Derrick and
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>>> Danny, but it turned out to be a split brake line, so. 
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>>> I installed a new brake light switch(unrelated problem) and replaced the
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>>> line and bled all around and now I have good brakes. 
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