[tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.

  • From: "w.wood" <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:13:40 -0400

You need one of these:

http://www.wolfgangint.com/Parts/Master+Cylinder+Adapter+Kit/  <-- This is
what Terry is trying to reproduce.  It's a chunk of aluminum and two bolts
with a boot.

They include the instructions with it.

You'll need one of each of these:

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/1973-Volkswagen-Transporter/Master-Cylinder-Brake-System/Fenco-Reman/_/N-iph7tZ8kn47Z1z13xo2
a 1971-79 master cylinder
and a vw rabbit brake fluid resevoir.

Here's a little article on the subject:
http://www.type2.com/library/brakes/dualmas.htm

You'll also need a Tee and a short brake line, both you can get from any
FLAPS.

Now, I will tell you that I had a couple of spacers made up to adapt a Chevy
S10 setup into a bus.  I have not installed either of these yet.  Why did I
look into this?  One: The price of the parts.  When Wolfgang and Bus Boys
started having a run on their kits, the prices of the master cylinders and
reservoirs shot up.  Try $120 for just the reservoir alone.  When Wilson's
went out of business, I snagged 4 Rabbit Reservoirs and 5 late Bus Master
Cylinders.. (Sorry, those are spoken for).  Two: The S10 has a bigger piston
that the late bus Master Cylinder.  Even though the late bus M/C is a good
unit it was meant to be used with a Servo, by using a M/C with a bigger
piston diameter, I can get better brake response.  When I get around to it
I'll let you know how it turns out.


For Dual Circuit Brakes, it's a great system and it gives you piece of mind
that if your 50 year old brake system has a problem , you'll at least be
able to stop.




On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> Can you send the details? I would like to have dual circuit, but I was told
> it was a PIA. ****
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> *From:* tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
> Behalf Of *w.wood
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 09, 2011 4:22 PM
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> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.****
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> I know a machinist.  He makes parts for me from time to time.  That's how I
> did mine.  He made 6 for me.  I still have the drawing I gave him. ****
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> You have to get a late year bay bus master cylinder.  That is the hard
> part.****
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> On Jul 9, 2011 1:36 PM, "James Dwan" <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I think I need to invest in a dual MC for the '59. Let us know if you get
> that deal worked out Terry.
> >
> > --- On Sat, 7/9/11, theresabuckner@xxxxxxx <theresabuckner@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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> > From: theresabuckner@xxxxxxx <theresabuckner@xxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.
> > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 12:51 PM
> >
> > will                I have 2 of the high dollar spacers     I am working
> a deal to get them duplicated      terry
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
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> > To: tcb <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> > Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 12:07 pm
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> > Subject: [tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.
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> > Yes any bus from 53 to 67
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> > On Jul 9, 2011 9:01 AM, "James Dwan" <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> Would this work with an earlier Bus?
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> >> --- On Sat, 7/9/11, w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >> From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >> Subject: [tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.
> >
> >> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >> Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 8:42 AM
> >
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> >> No you can use parts that work with your configuration.  I use late bus
> master cylinders with rabbit reservoirs and a Spacer you can get from via
> boys.  It gets around trying to find '67 m/c .
> >
> >> On Jul 9, 2011 7:03 AM, "Denis Dodson" <coocoo@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >>> That is what comes in a '63. I have discussed changing to a dual
> circuit,
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> >>> but I am told I have to find a different reservoir and I need to weld a
> >
> >>> bracket..
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> >>> From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
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> >>> Of w.wood
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> >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 PM
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> >>> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> >>> Subject: [tcb] Re: Brakes, always the brakes.
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> >>> I'm curious, you're not running a single circuit master cylinder are
> you?
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> >>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:09 PM, sammie smith <
> bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> >>> wrote:
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> >>> Denis: Now aren't you damn glad we hasseled you till you got an
> E-brake.
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> >>> Without the E-brake you would have backed Murray into a tree this time.
> >
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> >>> --- On Fri, 7/8/11, Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >>> From: Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx>
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> >>> Subject: [tcb] Brakes, always the brakes.
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> >>> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> >>> Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 1:46 PM
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> >>> After Danny and Derrick went all though my brakes and even replaced a
> >
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> >>> backing plate and set up the E-brake, I felt so grateful, telling them
> that
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> >>> Murray has never had good brakes.
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> So I am turning off Nob Hill Road and onto Beartrap (for you who have
> never
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> >>> been to my house, there is a slope like a 100 yard ski jump. If you
> just
> >
> >>> rolled down without applying brakes or using the engine to slow you,
> you
> >
> >>> would be doing about 125 MPH at the bottom. All right, you might be
> doing
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> >>
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> >>> 45), so I apply my brakes AND THE PEDDLE GOES RIGHT TO THE FLOOR. I had
> to
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> >>> use all my skill and abilities learned from years of losing brakes and
> >
> >>> crashing in to trees and rocks and such to control my speed. I quickly
> took
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> >>> off my sandal and used my toes to pull the brake pedal up and was able
> to
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> >>> pump up the brakes enough to remain under control.
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> I got to my house and found NO fluid in the reservoir. I filled it with
> >
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> >>> brake fluid and took off for the shop thinking that I won't need brakes
> >
> >>> going uphill and I can put Murray on the lift to see what's the F#*^.
> >
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> Getting to the top of the horrendously steep hill. Right to the very
> top, my
> >
> >>
> >
> >>> tires slipped on some loose rocks and Murray stalled. I put on the
> brakes,
> >
> >>> nothing. I am rolling backwards. I am going to be doing 45 MPH
> backward. I
> >
> >>> get it into 1st gear and USE THE EMERGENCY BRAKE! I HAVE ONE NOW!. I
> stop
> >
> >>
> >
> >>> rolling. I am at a diagonal now, thinking that, if I lose it, I will
> run my
> >
> >>> ass end into the bushes and, if I am lucky, won't roll over.
> >
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> As all this is happening there is an old woman standing on her porch
> across
> >
> >>
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> >>> the street watching this. I feel like yelling out through the open
> safari
> >
> >>> window to call 911 or triple A, or bring me a cinder block. I don't.
> >
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> So, if I put in the clutch so I can start the motor, I start rolling.
> The
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> >>
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> >>> slope is too steep for the E-brake to do more than slow me. I open the
> door
> >
> >>> and, without getting out, put my shoes, a big roll of paper towels and
> a
> >
> >>> book behind the wheel as a chock. I push in the clutch.and it holds! I
> start
> >
> >>
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> >>> the bus and go. I am exhausted but elated. I look at the old lady and
> say,
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> >>> "I about lost it there". She goes inside without comment.
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> >>> I am thinking that I am going to hire a hit man to take out Derrick and
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> >>> Danny, but it turned out to be a split brake line, so.
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> I installed a new brake light switch(unrelated problem) and replaced
> the
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> >>> line and bled all around and now I have good brakes.
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