I will be getting the E72 when it becomes available. It's very much like the E71 but has the newer spec like the camera is 5mp and the interface is like the one on the N86. Talks will not work with the e-mail and text editting in the web browser. It also has the standard 3.5m audio jack unlike the 2.5m jack on the E71. I hope it's got the same solid steel exteria as the E71. I bought my wife the Samsung Tocco Lite phone and it's full touch screen. I can see to use the basic main menu and to dial a number but that is about it. The font in the submenus is very small compared to even standard font. It's like they are trying to cram everything in. I would like to play around with something like that with speech. I probebly would never buy a touch screen phone as you can get productive to a point and then it becomes a struggle to keep up with standard speed of using a phone and writing a message. Neil Barnfather described the touch phone as a table with 9 blocks. You throw your keys anywhere in the middle of that table and you will roughly know where the keys landed but you still have to find them. This concept applies to the touch screen phone. You roughly know where the desired option is on the screen but you still have to find it buy swiping your finger in that area. This is why I would want to buy a cheep accessible touch screen device to see if I can become productive with the touch screen interface.
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:13 AM To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86
Hi Jackie.I only know of functionality through the various mailing lists I'm on, but I did happen to see one the other day in a Three store as I was looking for an upgrade handset and thought I quite liked the keyboard, but I guess it's horses for courses. Like you though, I wouldn't splash out on something I couldn't fully use, so I'll be sticking to my E71 for just a few months longer me thinks *smile*.All the best, Ibrahim.----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:09 AM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86 Hi Ibrahim I've never seen it either, and as I don't particularly like the qwerty keyboard input on such a tiny device, I wouldn't be interested in a touch screen until I could get some decent speech feedback from it. Jackie Cairns Braille Specialist Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton NN3 6WD Tel: 01604 798024 Mob: 07887 883815 www.sightandsound.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: 20 November 2009 08:55 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86 Hi Jackie. Not Pete but can answer your question *smile*. Yes, the N97 is a touch screen, you have the whole of the front face which is one giant display and touch sensitive controls. This part of the phone isn't accessible with talks, but I understand that some people are using the phone's internal keyboard as an interface with talks which works. I've never tried this, but unless my brain isn't working *smile*, it is possible. All the best, Ibrahim. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:33 AM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86 Hi Pete Am I right in saying the N97 is a touch screen phone though? How do you get on with that given the situation with Talks? Jackie Cairns Braille Specialist Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton NN3 6WD Tel: 01604 798024 Mob: 07887 883815 www.sightandsound.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DurDevil Sent: 19 November 2009 21:40 To: Talks-Uk Email group Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86 Hi Alistair Yes I have a N97, it is a lovely phone but I still have my trusty N95 8GB which even today keeps up with the spec of most new phones :-) The N97 does have GPS, it's spec sheet is amazing and the phone is very responsive . The keyboard is surprisingly nice, much easier to use than I thought as it's my first querty keyboard phone. I use my phones features so much that I wanted more like a laptop/phone combo which is one of the reasons why I went for the N97. The N86 is very similar spec but as there is nothing wrong with my N95 8GB I wanted to go for something really different in design as they are a quite similar style. and - the N97 is very different! No your right, the N97 is not yet supported by Talks, but given time it will be and I'm a patient person and I believe its worth waiting for as it's the right phone for me. But I've seen a lot of people going for the N86 which is pretty much all supported with the exception of email and part of the internet so if people don't want to wait or don't want the style of phone that the N97 offers then the N86 is a very good piece of kit. Hope this helps Cheers Pete -original message- Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86 From: "Al" <alistair.kelly@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 19/11/2009 8:38 pm Hi Pete, Some excellent points there so thanks for that, I note from your previous posts you have a N97? didn't know it was talks supported, I know it doesn't have gps but seems a nice phone, what is the keyboard like? Thanks much! Alistair -------------------------------------------------- From: "DurDevil" <durdevil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:13 PM To: "Talks-Uk Email group" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86Alistair Don't bother with the Iphone mate, yes it has built in speech/magnification but despite this it is not that blindy friendly! There are lots of reviews on the internet for it which have been done by blind people but the speech is not accurate enough and you will never get the support and functionality from the accessibility functions that you would get from Nuance Talks & Zooms and their associated resellers. In addition to this, you can't have a spare battery as it's built in and not changeable (and a lot of blind folks like to carry spare powerwith them) plus it has always been behind on basics such as picture messaging, camera spec, limited Bluetooth connectivity features etc etc, it may be getting there but it's always lagged on silly things. I'm not anti the Iphone so don't get me wrong, it's very slick but I wouldn't suggest someone that is visually impaired choose this over a Nokia with Nuance support. I know a lot of people with Iphones and they are not the big deal they are made out to be :-) it's not a phonethat you will have and keep and use for years its more of a temporary "cool at the moment" device Hope this helps and doesn't come across as too anti the Iphone! Cheers Pete -original message- Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86 From: "Al" <alistair.kelly@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 19/11/2009 6:53 am Hi Jackie this is very helpful, thanks for taking the time, E mail is not essential but the internet access is important to me. Will keep an eye open for updates from Nuance on this, going the dreaded Christmas shopping (dragged screaming) this weekend so will have a look at both IPhone and N86 in the shop. Alistair -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:35 PM To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86Hi Alistair I can vouch that the keypad and all other buttons on the N86 are excellent from a non-sighted perspective. As regards Talks, and as discussed many times on this list, it doesn't work properly with Email and Internet at the moment. But the N86 is a cracking handset, and I wouldn't let that put you off unless it is absolutely imperative that you need these applications right now. And, on the N86 theme, I got a nice pouch for mine the other day which I've been looking for now for some time. I can't use the phonein it, but whatI bought is certainly ideal for keeping it clean and free fromscratches.I hope this helps. Kind regards, J Jackie Cairns cairnsplace@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alistair Sent: 17 November 2009 19:54 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] N86 Hi folks, Been in a bit of a dither over choosing a new phone, choice between eithera iphone or a talks compatible Nokia. Can someone confirm that neither of the major screen readers for mobiles function fully with the n86? Ormaybesomeone knows of a alternitive which will work with talks which is wyfy, has GPS on board and is a good music player, the n86 seems to bemost of these but also seems to be more of a digital camera than anything else which does put me off a bit. Anyone currently using theN86? is the keyboard as good as the N82? going into town at the weekend to have a look but all help would be appreciated. Off list E mail is below. Alistair alistair.kelly@xxxxxxxxxxxx No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.68/2507 - Release Date: 11/16/09 19:53:00______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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