Hi all, I'd also like to point out that writing your concerns to the city commissioners is *very* important. yes, they do see bodies, but they often read emails, and all of them become public record. It may just give them pause if enough people write, warning of safety concerns, and the commissioners knowing that each concern is now a public record. If they ignore the concerns, well, then someone can come back to them later and point out how they were warned ahead of time (should there be any injuries or deaths that is, and they chose to ignore the information). I certainly think it's very important for blind people to try and explain to the commissioners that a "chirper" doesn't automatically guarantee a safe crossing through a large, busy, intersection. that in fact, it's not always easy to hear and interpret the chirping properly, nor is it easy to walk fast enough to cross intersections which have islands and medians and such like obstacles. I think we should also remind them of the constant danger from right turns on red, that no "chirper" is going to change in the least. So please, if you feel that people's safety is being put ahead of a few individuals self interest (those who want to say they helped implement a change), if you feel you've been let down by those who are supposed to look out for your interests, then write to the city commissioners. The email addresses are on talgov.com or the TABI web site. Chip -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Easy Talk Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:59 AM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea Well, I guess it was Kevin's vote since he was on the board and he had the right to vote. Now it is our right to fill city hall at the commission hearings and I mean fill it. We Need to get all our friends to go also. There has been a lot said on the subject but we have one trump card left and that is showing up at city hall. I know from experience city commissioners take serious note when voters show up at there meetings. Now for the disturbing news. It certainly suppresses me that the vote by the TAC was unanimous, apparently they didn't take our concerns very seriously and that fact is going to make it harder to defeat the change. I am disappointed that a citizen advisory committee didn't listen to who they are representing. I am pretty sure this was a done deal before it ever got started. Robert Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 3:12 AM Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea > No, don't hate you but disappointed yes. You knew the concerns of the > minority which is in this case is the (Blind community) and you did not > stand up and represent us by voting NO! You know there is a saying, Don't > forget the little man! We don't ask for much just a bone with some meat > left > on it every once in awhile! Some times you do what is right not what every > one else wants you to do. The Right thing to do this case was to vote NO! > Again don't hate you but very disappointed in you. Yes by the way I say if > we can get just Saturday this is a start. But by know means the end. Just > more of my thoughts. > > > > Sign, > JP ( Joe Plummer) > joeplummer@xxxxxxx > > -----Original Message----- > From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf > Of daviska9 > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:18 PM > To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea > > I'm sorry for being so touchy. Too many things in my life have made me a > bit too sensitive. > > > > Look, you all should know that the measure passed the TAC unanimously. I > know that some of you were hoping I would vote no, and those people > probably > hate me and will never talk to me again. > > > > As those present at the meeting can tell you, I have been asking tough > questions. Well, believe it or not, I got some good responses. StarMetro > went out and got the city engineers involved, and tonight we, the TAC, > were > told that the majority of the safety features would be brought on line > before the NOVA 2010 plan comes on line. Even to the extent that 15 to 18 > of the audible signals will be set up. Also, I brought up putting "NO > RIGHT > ON RED" designations at all of the transfer points. No solid answer > there, > but they did say they would look into what they could do. I can say this > much for the NOVA 2010 process, that a year ago I don't think the city > engineers would have been as open to working with mass transit as they are > today. This process has got more people working together than ever > before. > > > > Finally, I am very concerned that if we do not start making some changes, > even the unpopular ones, towards decentralizing the bus system, that we > will > be left with a bus system in a few years that serves the students and not > much else. What I don't want to do, is stop here. Mr. Garrison said to > me, > after being asked, that this is not an end to the changes, but a > beginning. > Your comments that Bruce Weaver and I took to the TAC and StarMetro, > fueled > the process of getting the city engineers involved. Now, keep the > pressure > on to continue to improve safety at all intersections. Maybe we can beat > the Dangerous by design label Tallahassee has been stamped with, but we > have > a long way to go. Do not give up on me, I am trying the best I know, to > not > give up on you. > > Kevin Davis > > > > By the way, I found out that the implementation may be delayed yet even > longer than December of this year by as much as three to eight months. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf > Of Sila Miller > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:13 PM > To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea > > > > Sorry if we were vicious, Kevin. Lets not stop thinking outside the box. I > just don't want us to be limited. > > Say hello to Laurie and the kids. > > Sila > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: daviska9 <mailto:daviska9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:44 AM > > Subject: [tabi] Saturday Mall idea > > > > So much for me trying to think out of the box. 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